SOLD CARDS*GROUP BUY* Poker/Jumbo Individual Decks (5 Viewers)

[chamber2skipped]

It could be used for deck stacking easily enough by a competent card handler, and in ways that are near impossible to call somebody out on.

Imagine while shuffling you make sure every ace or king you run across is facing one way. It's impossible to call someone out on because roughly half of the cards should be facing that way with pretty big variance, but it would be enough to tilt the odds slightly.

Like I said, I'm excited for these cards for low stakes home games with friends, but it's negligent to use them in higher stakes games. There's a reason every deck of cards has a mirrored back, and pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[BPTDirector]

Someone please enlighten me on how this could possibly be used to an advantage. I don’t see it, but I could be missing something.

 

[EastCoastCali]

Yeaaaaaa that feels like a giant reach. No one's shuffling the deck and flipping both A's and K's one way while flipping all others the opposite way and sneaking under the radar. If no one notices someone doing that in a game, you have much bigger problems...

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

It could be used for deck stacking easily enough by a competent card handler, and in ways that are near impossible to call somebody out on.

Imagine while shuffling you make sure every ace or king you run across is facing one way. It's impossible to call someone out on because roughly half of the cards should be facing that way with pretty big variance, but it would be enough to tilt the odds slightly.

Like I said, I'm excited for these cards for low stakes home games with friends, but it's negligent to use them in higher stakes games. There's a reason every deck of cards has a mirrored back, and pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

This is silly. If you have a competent card handler he won't need to take a coinflip chance whether something is or is not the Ace. Easier to mark it or just control it and not have to flip it with a pinky break or bottom deal or palm or any other way scumbags cheat.

"He flipped and hid the Ace perfectly because half the deck already looked the same exact way."

Talk through how this cheating would occur. We open a new deck, wash the deck in a way that turns some (let's be conservative, say 25% even though you admitted roughly half the cards should be that way) the opposite direction, riffle/riffle/bridge/riffle/cut. 9 handed hold'em gets played, full board. Now what?

 

[BPTDirector]

Sure seems super paranoid to me. It would take a hell of a card mechanic to be able to see the faces through the backs. Possible I suppose but one in a million.

 

[chamber2skipped]

This is silly. If you have a competent card handler he won't need to take a coinflip chance whether something is or is not the Ace. Easier to mark it or just control it and not have to flip it with a pinky break or bottom deal or palm or any other way scumbags cheat.

"He flipped and hid the Ace perfectly because half the deck already looked the same exact way."

Talk through how this cheating would occur. We open a new deck, wash the deck in a way that turns some (let's be conservative, say 25% even though you admitted roughly half the cards should be that way) the opposite direction, riffle/riffle/bridge/riffle/cut. 9 handed hold'em gets played, full board. Now what?

Please, show me one serious card room/casino using non-mirrored backed cards.

While there are definitely ways to mark cards that provide guaranteed/better odds, you can usually go back and audit the cards for marks after the game. You're introducing a vulnerability into a system simply to save a few dollars over copag/kem, and if you're too cheap to buy decent cards then you shouldn't be running a higher stakes game.

 

[Carnth]

Deckmate.

... Problem solved.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Please, show me one serious card room/casino using non-mirrored backed cards.

While there are definitely ways to mark cards that provide guaranteed/better odds, you can usually go back and audit the cards for marks after the game. You're introducing a vulnerability into a system simply to save a few dollars over copag/kem, and if you're too cheap to buy decent cards then you shouldn't be running a higher stakes game.

Talk through how this cheating would occur. We open a new deck, wash the deck in a way that turns some (let's be conservative, say 25% even though you admitted roughly half the cards should be that way) the opposite direction, riffle/riffle/bridge/riffle/cut. 9 handed hold'em gets played, full board. Now what?

Now what?

I've spent time dealing and doing magic tricks and there's a lot of overlap between the two, but this ain't it. If your high stakes game has a dealer flipping certain cards and not others, he could be cheating in much less obvious ways. This is just a bad theory. All the ways I mentioned to control a card are completely imperceptible once the cards are out of the dealers hand, a break or a bottom deal is way more likely than risking getting caught on a coinflip.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Deckmate.

... Problem solved.

Na, deckmates don't change the orientation of the card so our friend still wouldn't trust these cards in that scenario.

 

[EastCoastCali]

 

[BPTDirector]

He has his opinion, we have reality.

 

[chamber2skipped]

He has his opinion, we have reality.

I have every casino and card rooms standards backing up my "opinion", you and your buddy have your own reality independent of common sense and best practices.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I have every casino and card rooms standards backing up my "opinion"

I stuck with Milanos.

Get outta the sale thread lol. Start a new thread where you explain the way this could be used to cheat, you have failed to do so.

 

[chamber2skipped]

Not sure why you're so hostile, lol. I did buy several setups in this thread about cards, not chips.

I explained exactly how the decks can be used for cheating. Your response boiled down to "but people can also cheat other ways".

You've failed to justify deviating from industry standards. You are a clown .

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Not sure why you're so hostile, lol. I did buy several setups in this thread about cards, not chips.

I explained exactly how the decks can be used for cheating. Your response boiled down to "but people can also cheat other ways".

You've failed to justify deviating from industry standards. You are a clown .

You did not explain how they could be used. You said a dealer could flip the cards...into the orientation that half the deck is already in, and you didn't explain how he'd flip some cards and not others, and at what point he would do so. So, everyone mucks, he's got a pile, how does he go about sorting them before the next deal?

Hostile because we're in a sales thread, its annoying to bring up a perceived insecurity and then not explain how it can be used. But you're right, editted, peace, good luck.

 

[jazzV3]

It could be used for deck stacking easily enough by a competent card handler, and in ways that are near impossible to call somebody out on.

Imagine while shuffling you make sure every ace or king you run across is facing one way. It's impossible to call someone out on because roughly half of the cards should be facing that way with pretty big variance, but it would be enough to tilt the odds slightly.

Like I said, I'm excited for these cards for low stakes home games with friends, but it's negligent to use them in higher stakes games. There's a reason every deck of cards has a mirrored back, and pretending otherwise is ridiculous.

Noted: Using these in a friendly game and periodically doing a wash before shuffling should be enough to prevent this variation on card marking that you describe. A suspect dealer would have to do a lot of card flipping/spinning in plain sight to set up a deck.

 

[justincarothers]

@justincarothers Is there a way for me to change my shipping address?

Send me a pm

 

[Kentucky]

Phil Ivey ordered to repay $10M to Atlantic City casino​

https://www.nj.com/atlantic/2016/12...red_to_repay_10m_to_atlantic_city_casino.html

 

[PickinPockets]

Anyone know how well these work with Shuffletech shuffler?

Yes, the poker size cards work best with the Shuffletech shuffler.

 

[Pippa]

Update?

 

[justincarothers]

Update?

Scheduled to arrive 06-18!

 

[justincarothers]

New Bridge size group buy is up.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/cards-group-buy-bridge-jumbo-setups-green-blue.120478/

 

[justincarothers]

Delivery scheduled for next week!

 

[Fran]

Delivery scheduled for next week!

Good news thanks for the update !

 

[tooth_doc]

Delivery scheduled for next week!

AWWWWWESOME! Thanks Justin

 

[minedelta]

Yes, the poker size cards work best with the Shuffletech shuffler.

Well just to piggyback on this the bridge size I have tested on Deckmate 1 and they work great. Haven't tried Poker sized yet. But even with worn rollers these cards shuffled better than other decks.

 

[SixSeven]

Well just to piggyback on this the bridge size I have tested on Deckmate 1 and they work great. Haven't tried Poker sized yet. But even with worn rollers these cards shuffled better than other decks.

How does the Deckmate 1 compare to Shuffletech?

 

[BPTDirector]

How does the Deckmate 1 compare to Shuffletech?

The medics of the two are quite different. However I have a Shuffletech and ordered 9 decks of each color so will be trying them and will report as soon as I can. I suspect they will be fine, I have not had a problem with any plastic cards I have tried yet.

 

[minedelta]

How does the Deckmate 1 compare to Shuffletech?

Yeah you can't really compare them. Two really different machines. A lot more going on under the hood of a Deckmate but that comes with a lot heavier price tags too. The forums here has a lot of info if your interested.

 

[SixSeven]

Yeah you can't really compare them. Two really different machines. A lot more going on under the hood of a Deckmate but that comes with a lot heavier price tags too. The forums here has a lot of info if your interested.

Thanks. No not really interested in the Deckmate 1. I am aware it's a more expensive machine, but I was just curious if anyone had experience using the broken arrow cards in a Shuffletech which I own. I'll be getting a Jumbo deck from Justin in a couple weeks, so I'll know then. But was looking for advanced facts. : )