CdnBeerLover
Full House
The WSOP and EPT Gold Fournier cards in my first set of reviews are poker size. I don't have any other Cartamundi cards, unfortunately.
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CdnBeerLover
Full House
What was your first setup of Fourniers?
MoscowRadio
Flush
My first set-up was the 2508 four-pip/bridge size cards. I didn't know how much I would like the four pips, but I really wanted to try some Fourniers, and I ended up really liking them a lot.
Milo013
Flush
The various reds that are out there. Narrow size first, the Wide.
Top row, left to right: Modiano Beehive, Fournier 2826 (JI), Gemaco Superflex (S), Carta Mundi Casino, Da Vinci, Carta Mundi Acetate (JI, S), 2009 WSOP Kem, Pre USPC Kem.
Bottom row, left to right: Desjgn Classic Victorian, Modiano Blackjack, Modiano peeks (JI, S), Gemaco, Copag 1546, Dal Negro Torcello, Bike Prestige (Fournier), Fournier 2818 (JI, S), Fournier 2508, Four52 (JI), Modiano Platinum Acetate (S).
JI = Jumbo Index
S = Security Ink
Top row, left to right: Modiano Beehive, Fournier 2826 (JI), Gemaco Superflex (S), Carta Mundi Casino, Da Vinci, Carta Mundi Acetate (JI, S), 2009 WSOP Kem, Pre USPC Kem.
Bottom row, left to right: Desjgn Classic Victorian, Modiano Blackjack, Modiano peeks (JI, S), Gemaco, Copag 1546, Dal Negro Torcello, Bike Prestige (Fournier), Fournier 2818 (JI, S), Fournier 2508, Four52 (JI), Modiano Platinum Acetate (S).
JI = Jumbo Index
S = Security Ink
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Exsqueeze meeee, but has Fournier been bought by Bicycle?
http://caragails.com/fournier.htm
http://caragails.com/fournier.htm
CdnBeerLover
Full House
Fournier was bought by USPCC in 1986, which is the parent company of a number of popular brands (Bicycle, KEM, Bee, etc). That's why you see Bicycle branded cards made by Kem (2011 WSOP) and Fournier (2013 WSOP).
http://www.usplayingcard.com/fournier/?par=19
From the above link:
Naipes Heraclio Fournier S.A. is a playing card manufacturer that was founded in 1868 and currently based in Vitoria, Spain. Owned by The United States Playing Card Company since 1986, not only does it continue to maintain separate manufacturing operations, but it also manufactures certain USPC products sold by its parent company in the States (i.e., Congress bridge playing cards). The cards they produce are 100% plastic.
http://www.usplayingcard.com/fournier/?par=19
From the above link:
Naipes Heraclio Fournier S.A. is a playing card manufacturer that was founded in 1868 and currently based in Vitoria, Spain. Owned by The United States Playing Card Company since 1986, not only does it continue to maintain separate manufacturing operations, but it also manufactures certain USPC products sold by its parent company in the States (i.e., Congress bridge playing cards). The cards they produce are 100% plastic.
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CdnBeerLover
Full House
Fournier-made WSOP cards are available now at Caragails in the US, Straight Poker Supplies in Canada, and on eBay. They just have the Bicycle branding.
sat guru
Two Pair
Interested in insight into regular v. security ink. Aside from being darker, what are the other differences and advantages in addition to "security"? Thx.
CdnBeerLover
Full House
My understanding is that the red is darker to make it more difficult to pick up on the colour of the cards if they are inadvertantly flashed when you peek at them.
links_slayer
4 of a Kind
I think it might also have something to do with visibility on security cameras.
Milo013
Flush
I have heard BOTH of these explanations given on multiple occasions, by separate persons, both card reps and casino personnel.
CdnBeerLover
Full House
Might not be the tease you thought it was. According to this link, Aristo Club was a trademark held by the Angel Playing Card Co Ltd in Japan from 2003 to 2012.
Confirmed by Matsui. According to their site:
"A quality card manufactured by Angel Cards of Japan, the most established card supplier in Asia."
Milo013
Flush
You sir, are a regular Sherlock Holmes.
Tomorrow, Dal Negro Torcellos and Blancos.
Tomorrow, Dal Negro Torcellos and Blancos.
CdnBeerLover
Full House
Just had to revisit my reviews, since I missed that some of the cards had the darker "security" ink (Fournier EPTs, Fournier Congress , Cartamundi ACE all use a dark red). Posts have been corrected.
pokerpig
Flush
Allot of good info guys, thanks. I am quickly becoming a plastic card junky as well. I was the first to take my small group of idiots that I play poker with out of dice chips and paper cards. You guys make me look like a genius in my group. Haaaa! not a difficult thing to do...
justsomedude
Straight Flush
Where did you get these??? They look like very nice cards... and I can't find them anywhere!
Milo013
Flush
They are VERY hard to get in North America. In all of my card junkie hunts, I have seen one Group Buy Opportunity that was priced at over $60.00 USD per set-up. At the time my comment was, "I'm crazy, but not THAT crazy" . . . wish I would have paid the $$$. Probably going to cost me more when another chance comes around.
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Dal Negro Playing Cards is an Italian Company out of Treviso. They are a high end manufacturer similar to Modiano. For more on their history you can go here:
http://www.dalnegro.com/eng/azienda-dal-negro/
The NTP line of cards mentioned earlier (CanadianBeerLover, I think) is a subsidiary line for the company.
I have 2 set-ups of Torcellos and a single deck of Torcello Blancos. The Blancos are identical in every way to the Torcellos except that they possess a pure white card back. No design, whatsoever. I purchased them with the idea of autograph hunting poker players for a card room display. Still might get around to that one day.
Anyway . . . Torcellos were the first "thick" card I purchased and they are only marginally thinner than the Modiano PAs. They have a bit more flexibility and a much more audible snap when riffling in the shuffle. They have a grittier texture than the Platinum Acetates, but only marginally so, and it is not an issue, merely something I noted. they are a four pip design and, like many Italian manufacturers, they have a second, smaller logo on one of the hearts cards. In this case it is the 4 of hearts, rather than the Ace.
If I remember correctly, each set-up was around $25.00 USD, so they are priced similarly to the Platinum Acetate ($29.99 CAD). They have, over the last few years, become a little tougher to get on this side of the Atlantic and, to be honest, have been surpassed in quality by Fourniers. Whether the Fourniers are more durable is the only question, but I rotaste cards too often, and do not play frequently enough, for that issue to be resolved at my end. I would happily put them in the #3 or #4 spot in any list of favourite cards, behind the Modianos and Fourniers, battling with my Piatniks for attention.
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Dal Negro Playing Cards is an Italian Company out of Treviso. They are a high end manufacturer similar to Modiano. For more on their history you can go here:
http://www.dalnegro.com/eng/azienda-dal-negro/
The NTP line of cards mentioned earlier (CanadianBeerLover, I think) is a subsidiary line for the company.
I have 2 set-ups of Torcellos and a single deck of Torcello Blancos. The Blancos are identical in every way to the Torcellos except that they possess a pure white card back. No design, whatsoever. I purchased them with the idea of autograph hunting poker players for a card room display. Still might get around to that one day.
Anyway . . . Torcellos were the first "thick" card I purchased and they are only marginally thinner than the Modiano PAs. They have a bit more flexibility and a much more audible snap when riffling in the shuffle. They have a grittier texture than the Platinum Acetates, but only marginally so, and it is not an issue, merely something I noted. they are a four pip design and, like many Italian manufacturers, they have a second, smaller logo on one of the hearts cards. In this case it is the 4 of hearts, rather than the Ace.
If I remember correctly, each set-up was around $25.00 USD, so they are priced similarly to the Platinum Acetate ($29.99 CAD). They have, over the last few years, become a little tougher to get on this side of the Atlantic and, to be honest, have been surpassed in quality by Fourniers. Whether the Fourniers are more durable is the only question, but I rotaste cards too often, and do not play frequently enough, for that issue to be resolved at my end. I would happily put them in the #3 or #4 spot in any list of favourite cards, behind the Modianos and Fourniers, battling with my Piatniks for attention.
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CdnBeerLover
Full House
Well, Dal Negro sells NTP on their website (http://www.dalnegro.com/eng/playing-cards/ntp.html), so I'm assuming they are related somehow. As far as availability goes, some decks are carried by Trident cards, and sold by them on Amazon. However, they do not ship to Canada.
MoscowRadio
Flush
I'm quickly learning that card collecting can be just as addictive as buying chips. I just received a setup of the Fornier Congress bridge-size/jumbo-index two days ago and have already ordered two more setups from H|Q's classified ad. I'm putting them into play for the first time tonight, so I'll get to see how our group responds to them.
cyberottweiler
High Hand
Milo013
Flush
Just the one, or would you care to relieve yourself of an extra set-up?
cyberottweiler
High Hand
I've recently added a second double deck to these (from an another french participant in this GB). Not for sale, sorry.
Milo013
Flush
Are we missing any? Still have to do one for Gemacos, but that can wait until tomorrow unless someone else wants to dig in.
CdnBeerLover
Full House
The only brands missing that leaps to mind is Da Vinci, which is related to Modiano (I think), and NTP. I don't have either of those.
And Royal. I wouldn't bother with those (don't have them, don't intend to...).
And Royal. I wouldn't bother with those (don't have them, don't intend to...).
Milo013
Flush
You are correct. Okay, so I need to do one for Gemacos AND Da Vincis. Monday night.
MoscowRadio
Flush
Thank you for doing this, Milo. You're doing the community a great service.
EDIT: And a big thank you to Thomacetti as well!
EDIT: And a big thank you to Thomacetti as well!
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Milo013
Flush
Thanks, but I didn't start it, and I am not the only one . . . I just have the biggest "sickness". Or close to it.
Milo013
Flush
Sorry, guys . . . got caught up in a few things tonight. Wednesday . . .
Milo013
Flush
Da Vinci
These cards are primarily bridge sized, and use a lot of the same back designs that are available in the wide versions sold by Modiano. The plastic is similar to the non-Acetate Modianos as is the quality. Prices are somewhat cheaper, and each set-up that I bought came with logoed cut cards. I cannot tell you the names of the two setups I purchased because the CaraGails site ( http://www.caragails.com/ ) is acting up. But, if you click the link, you will see them on the Home Page. As you can see from the pistures, these two set-ups are more "artsy" which was why I bought them. The backs DO tend to blend, so these are NOT recommended for two deck games, unless you split them up. As with all modiano products, these get a thumbs up, from me. They are, objectively, a solid card to buy if you do NOT want to shell out for Platinum Acetates, and prefer narrow cards to the wide variety. As they are now being produced in more distinguishable patterns, and more traditional colouring (blue/red), you may want to give these a try.
These cards are primarily bridge sized, and use a lot of the same back designs that are available in the wide versions sold by Modiano. The plastic is similar to the non-Acetate Modianos as is the quality. Prices are somewhat cheaper, and each set-up that I bought came with logoed cut cards. I cannot tell you the names of the two setups I purchased because the CaraGails site ( http://www.caragails.com/ ) is acting up. But, if you click the link, you will see them on the Home Page. As you can see from the pistures, these two set-ups are more "artsy" which was why I bought them. The backs DO tend to blend, so these are NOT recommended for two deck games, unless you split them up. As with all modiano products, these get a thumbs up, from me. They are, objectively, a solid card to buy if you do NOT want to shell out for Platinum Acetates, and prefer narrow cards to the wide variety. As they are now being produced in more distinguishable patterns, and more traditional colouring (blue/red), you may want to give these a try.
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