SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
DICE CHIPS!
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I guess what I’m trying to tell you (what we are all trying to tell you) is that your group is playing poker in a very odd format that’s atypical of how it’s played everywhere else in the world.
I explained that my original group also played things badly, but once I learned a better (more correct) way to organize and host, I implemented some rules and hosted games in a better structure. I lost some of my players, but gained so many more. I also now know how to play poker anywhere, and am comfortable playing with (and against) anyone. Not that I’ll always win, but I won’t look like an idiot (mostly).
You’ve mentioned your game plan involves doing things a certain way because your players are insisting (or “want”) a certain chip... how about this, you’re the host, you provide a great setup, amazing chips, and a solid structure that would translate very well into almost any poker game (casino or otherwise). YOU set the tone. Come here, learn, Teach your players the right way to play. It’ll still be fun. If they are that obtuse and decide they don’t like you anymore, then screw em. They weren’t worth your time anyway.
Please do not buy a custom CPC set to use in your game’s current structure. unless you have tons of money to waste on a disfunctional set of chips.
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Bluffhunter
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We don't play 3x raise, you can do any raise, so it helps to have a lot of basic chips in the beginning.
Maybe your way would work, but I am not sure. They tend to do high raises quickly with lots of chips.
I've read somewhere that having lower value chips and lots of them promotes raises, while high value chips inhibit raises.
I'll try maybe to buy some crappy chips and play that breakdown to see how it will be welcome, but I am afraid I'll be cursed out lol
CantSpellPoker
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If I buy into your game for $50, I don’t want 100 chips, i want $50 WORTH OF CHIPS.
A red chip is not worth 5x your smallest chip. A red chip is worth $5. Stop basing your bets/chips/counts on whatever your smallest chip is worth. It needs to be based on actual cash value. I don’t know how else to describe it.
A red chip is not worth 5x your smallest chip. A red chip is worth $5. Stop basing your bets/chips/counts on whatever your smallest chip is worth. It needs to be based on actual cash value. I don’t know how else to describe it.
SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
Oh man.
RichMahogany
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Nowhere does he mention anything about 3x raises, he mentions 3 different denominations of chips.
I think you should really take a look at how a good cash game is run. You can search through lots of threads that are present here
NOOOOOO! Please don't buy more crappy chips! You already have crappy chips. Why waste your money? If you want to upgrade your game, learn how to setup and run a good cash game. If you want to keep your buddies comfortable in the status quo, that's fine.
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Bluffhunter
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I don't know what that means
What is pre-flop raise of 4x the big blind?
Ok, I'm getting more convinced that you're trolling.
You’re 100 chip game is crazy flawed. Consider every chip taking the place of a dollar bill of some denomination. You start with $50, then give your players 20 quarters to equal $5. Then 20 x $1 bills to = $20. Then 5 x $5 bills to equal $25. Using chips instead of crumpled up paper money just makes things easier.
You’re worried about whether having 100 x .50 chips will hinder betting, he’ll ya. It’ll also slow the game down big time. I want to count out a $25.50 bet in $.50 chips? That’s 51 chips.!!! If you do things correctly that player can toss in one green $25 chip and one $.50 chip (or at worse 5x$5 chips... making bets and calls with 51 chips is never efficient.
And CPC chips aren’t cheap. So maximizing set efficiency is huge. With 10 players, you’re needing 1000 chips to do what could be done with a 3-400 chip set. At $2-3/chip, it’s big savings...
You’re worried about whether having 100 x .50 chips will hinder betting, he’ll ya. It’ll also slow the game down big time. I want to count out a $25.50 bet in $.50 chips? That’s 51 chips.!!! If you do things correctly that player can toss in one green $25 chip and one $.50 chip (or at worse 5x$5 chips... making bets and calls with 51 chips is never efficient.
And CPC chips aren’t cheap. So maximizing set efficiency is huge. With 10 players, you’re needing 1000 chips to do what could be done with a 3-400 chip set. At $2-3/chip, it’s big savings...
SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
Here are my chips. We play either 5c ante 10c sb 25 bb or 10c ante 10c sb 20c bb - No Limit games. Pot Limit we do 10c sb 25c bb.
Fixed /limit games are 50c/S1.00
Fixed /limit games are 50c/S1.00
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realcdn
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This. Or I’m starting to think this group has no idea how to play poker.
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Bluffhunter
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I already explained to you how we play our game. You don't need to explain to me if you don't want to that's fine.
I am not a teenager in high-school, I run 2 successful businesses, I wouldn't waste my time on "trolling"
RichMahogany
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Very likely the latter, luckily he came to a good place to learn if he’s willing to
I don't know what that means
What is pre-flop raise of 4x the big blind?
If you’re truly that new... then please don’t rush into any purchase of custom chips. The term 4x bet pre is a very common term. Meaning that you’re opening up a bet pre flop in a NL game for a bet that is 4x (times) the Big Blind.
So you’re playing $.25/.50 blinds (small and big). You’re next to act and decide to open up for $2.00That’s a 4x bet. 4 times the $.50 BB. Doesn’t matter how many number of chips you use, so long as the value of them equals whatever you intended to bet (or call).
If you’re using chips of these denominations ($.25/$1/$5), then calling the above bet could be accomplished by putting in two $1 chips or eight $.25 chips.. which do you think is more efficient and less complicated?
I want to help, but I feel pretty safe speaking for others participating in this thread in saying that it's been frustrating trying to explain to you how a standard NLHE cash game works. You seem to be stuck in your paradigm of what you've been doing. We don't name a game by the lowest value, most plentiful chip. We name NLHE games in terms of blinds. My regular game is 5¢/10¢. the small blind is 5¢, the big blind is 10¢.
Here would be a typical starting stack in my game with a $10 buy-in (100 big blinds). 5¢x10, 25¢x14, $1x6.
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Bluffhunter
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You said it is 4x the big blind, so if big blind is .50, wouldn't it be $2? What do you mean by "next act" to open up. Everyone needs to put .50 in order to see the flop correct? Or do you mean the next person after big blind (.50) needs to put $2?
@Bluffhunter, watch some of these videos.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+play+no+limit+texas+holdem
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+play+no+limit+texas+holdem
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Bluffhunter
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Okay, I will read this, I am confused more than before. I didn't know people play cash games in terms of small blinds/big blinds, no idea how to even go about that. Need a break for some vodka/red bull
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Bluffhunter
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Okay I understood now, thanks
What you’re describing is an “ante”.
You need to watch a few videos on NLHE. No limit Hold’em
Here’s why we are frustrated... this is an analogy of what you’re doing here.
You: only experience playing golf involves putters and windmills...
You go into the pro shop of a 18-hole championship golf course and explain how you’d like a putter than can work well on their course, and that’s the only club you’ll be using, and then you ask the golf pros about best ways to avoid scary clowns.
We are confused.
SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
Hmmmmm.
SeanGecko
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Bluffhunter
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Most people on here would prefer to setup their cash game differently. Something like the following:
Players generally start with 100 big blinds, or more. Starting stacks of 50bb generally lead to more all-ins, and less poker plays. If the original buy-in is $50, I would play either .25/.50 blinds, or .50/.50 blinds.
Let's do .50/.50.
Starting stacks
.50 x 10 = $5
$1 x 20 = $20
$5 x 5 = $25
You build a set with 35 chips/player, rather than 100. It's more efficient, and cheaper. If I want to make a standard pre-flop raise of 4x the big blind, I would throw out 2 $1 chips. Someone could call with 4 .50 chips. If someone wants to call, but happens to be out of .50's and $1's, they could call by putting in a single $5 chip, and getting $3 back from the other players' bets (AFTER all betting is complete). It's like playing with actual cash, but the chips easier to keep track of, they look pretty in stacks, and they're fun to shuffle.
I thought the big blind is 2x of the small blind. How can there be .50/.50?
I read the link you gave me and a lot of people say they give rebuys in $5 and $25. How will those players be able to play when for example the preflop big blind is $2.5? and they only have $5 or $25 chips in hand?
SeanGecko
4 of a Kind
Annnnnd we lost him
They make change from other players, usually those who have been winning, and therefore have a lot of lower denoms.
Also, a typical blind structure is small blind is half of the big blind (.25/.50), but home games will often play .25/.25, .50/.50, and 1/1. This is usually done for chip efficiency. Casinos often run 1/3 and 2/5 games as well.
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