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I know you mentioned that labels + blanks add significant cost/labor (and it does), but in the end, if you're only doing it for one chip color, it's not as much of an investment as it seems.
You are absolutely correct on that. For, let's say 200 .25 chips, the cost would be 400 x 15 cents per label or $60. Really not bad for CC's of custom colors.

On a related note, I received my Dunes and put them in play 3 days later. While I really love them, I noticed people squinting to read the denominations! Sure they probably should have reading glasses, but it was a bit of a let down. So, perhaps another ranking variable should be readability?! The Milanos win hands down for that variable.

For a build your own CC set and not worrying about cost or time, I'd go with the Majestic blanks (I like the colors and 1" label size, substituting the Majestic purple for the .25 pink, the yellow for the $1 white, and the pink for the $5 red) and use custom labels similar in design to the Milano labels, keeping the $20 vs $25 denomination per the Dunes set. CC perfection - which of course would cost the same as an entry level Paulson set!

My bottom line, all the CC's are so close with each having a top strength that I'd likely be happy with any CC set. The Dunes will be back in play this Friday.
 
23 lbs. of Dunes Pr0n (yes that's 800 chips in a Nanuk 910 case!)

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As for readability, the Royals shut all of the old timers up the moment I got them. Great CC's, and the larger label makes seeing the denoms easy.
I like the idea of having one 43mm denom for the highest value chip in the game, say a $25 in a .25/.50 game or a $100 in a 1/2 game. Seems like it would be cool to be the big winner at the table with an intimidating stack of 43mm 100s sitting in front of you at the end of the night. I’m not sure I like it for all the chips in the game though. I feel like it becomes the center of attention rather than the cherry on top at that point.
 
On a related note, I received my Dunes and put them in play 3 days later. While I really love them, I noticed people squinting to read the denominations! .

They are pretty standard Vegas colors! How could you have a problem with the denominations?
Really, it is like holding up a $100 bill and asking, "How much is this one worth?" :mad:

The only one that might be a little confusing is having a $20 instead of a $25.
 
I like the idea of having one 43mm denom for the highest value chip in the game, say a $25 in a .25/.50 game or a $100 in a 1/2 game. Seems like it would be cool to be the big winner at the table with an intimidating stack of 43mm 100s sitting in front of you at the end of the night. I’m not sure I like it for all the chips in the game though. I feel like it becomes the center of attention rather than the cherry on top at that point.

I was curious how I'd feel about all 43mm chips when I ordered them so long ago. My only experience had been in casino tournaments where they would do exactly that -- use a larger size for the high denoms.

I've been using them for over 6 months now and I have to say that I'm absolutely converted. But it's all personal preference. There's no wrong answer. I think my desired ranking is:
  • I don't care about the size, just call my quad baby ducks and give me all your chips
  • All 43mm
  • All 39mm
  • Mixed with 43mm being for larger denoms
 
I'm getting two samples of China clays in the mail today, can't wait to try them. I got the royal and pharaohs, now I kinda regret not adding the dunes to the mix. I'm sure they feel similar to the pharaohs, but would be nice to have in hand.
 
I'm getting two samples of China clays in the mail today, can't wait to try them. I got the royal and pharaohs, now I kinda regret not adding the dunes to the mix. I'm sure they feel similar to the pharaohs, but would be nice to have in hand.

That was my first mistake as well. I only ordered 2 sample sets. Second time around, I think I ordered 6 different ones. There needs to be a store that aggregates 100's of different chips and only sells samples.
 
I can help --> https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...cards-card-protector-plaque-25-shipped.52061/

Also, I have to admit that I was torn between the Dunes/MIlanos/Majestics and the Dia de los Muertos (ceramics). They are just all so much better than striped dice!

I even picked up a Muertos dealer button.

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I was in the same boat! I ordered samples and was fully expected to go with the cc majestics. However, when I felt and shuffled the Muertos chips I really enjoyed the consistency and the graphics. Just ordered a 650 chip cash set!
 

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However, when I felt and shuffled the Muertos chips I really enjoyed the consistency and the graphics. Just ordered a 650 chip cash set!
Nice! The Muertos are seriously cool chips. I like your custom choices. I also considered customs, see below. However, compared to used Dunes, the cost was double. I was able to maintain some control...this time!

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Nice! The Muertos are seriously cool chips. I like your custom choices. I also considered customs, see below. However, compared to used Dunes, the cost was double. I was able to maintain some control...this time!

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That is true! They are a bit more for sure. It’s just my first set so I’m sure I’ll be exploring other options later to add to my collection
 
Nice! The Muertos are seriously cool chips. I like your custom choices. I also considered customs, see below. However, compared to used Dunes, the cost was double. I was able to maintain some control...this time!

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Yeah, I was torn between DDM and Nevada Jack's for my first ceramic set. DDM are really really cool..

On a side note, am I the only weirdo who gets both $0.25 and $0.50 fracs because I just love having 1 more extra color of DDM on the table?
 
On a side note, am I the only weirdo who gets both $0.25 and $0.50 fracs because I just love having 1 more extra color of DDM on the table?
Yes, but why didn’t I think of that?! Love it.

(I’ve got hundreds for the same reason - to have an extra color - but they’ll never touch felt!)
 
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I love my Royals as well. And I’m kind of tired of people trying to shame others for not “seeing the light” of buying Paulsons. We know clay chips are superior. I have sample sets of Paulsons, CPCs and BCCs. I know they are better. Maybe someday I will decide to spend a couple grand on a poker chip set. But until then, I’m perfectly content with my CC Royals.
 
So I just received my royal sample and pharaohs. The royal are definitely on a league of their own imo, the colors pop a whole lots more, the pharaohs seem dull next to them. Now I'm torn between royals, ceramics and maybe some CPCs.

Im really not a fan of the royal $1 though, would much prefer the $500 take it's place. May have to get blanks for that.
 
So I just received my royal sample and pharaohs. The royal are definitely on a league of their own imo, the colors pop a whole lots more, the pharaohs seem dull next to them. Now I'm torn between royals, ceramics and maybe some CPCs.

Im really not a fan of the royal $1 though, would much prefer the $500 take it's place. May have to get blanks for that.
I thought the same thing about CC Pharaohs. I wanted to like them, but just couldn’t. I think it was the $1000 chip that I hated the most. It’s just boring.
 
I’m kind of tired of people trying to shame others for not “seeing the light” of buying Paulsons. We know clay chips are superior. I have sample sets of Paulsons, CPCs and BCCs. I know they are better.
It's not an attempt to shame others. It's trying to save them money in the long run by looking at a much larger overall big picture, vs focusing only on a single low-return purchase at one fixed point in time.

If all chips retained value equally, there would be absolutely nothing wrong with starting with low-cost chips and working your way up. But unfortunately, that's simply not true, and hundreds of dollars will get essentially wasted by pursuing that direction.
 
It’s only saving them money if they eventually get clay chips, though. Not everyone needs that in their life. And some people definitely seem like they are shaming people for not paying up for clay chips.
 
It's not an attempt to shame others. It's trying to save them money in the long run by looking at a much larger overall big picture, vs focusing only on a single low-return purchase at one fixed point in time.

If all chips retained value equally, there would be absolutely nothing wrong with starting with low-cost chips and working your way up. But unfortunately, that's simply not true, and hundreds of dollars will get essentially wasted by pursuing that direction.
Come on,Dave. We both know it's just guys with tons of Paulsons trying to increase demand, and drive up prices so they can make huge profits when they sell. ;)
 
It’s only saving them money if they eventually get clay chips, though. Not everyone needs that in their life. And some people definitely seem like they are shaming people for not paying up for clay chips.
Okay, I will step back and defer to the resident forum expert. Carry on....
 
Okay, I will step back and defer to the resident forum expert. Carry on....
I’m just saying, not everyone needs to get clay chips. This is a poker chip forum. Not a clay poker chip forum. China clays serve many of us very well, even though we fully acknowledge the superiority of clay chips.
 
It's not an attempt to shame others. It's trying to save them money in the long run by looking at a much larger overall big picture, vs focusing only on a single low-return purchase at one fixed point in time.

If all chips retained value equally, there would be absolutely nothing wrong with starting with low-cost chips and working your way up. But unfortunately, that's simply not true, and hundreds of dollars will get essentially wasted by pursuing that direction.

@BGinGA, let me start by saying that I truly respect you, and that I consider you an icon and a legend on this forum. And while I can't argue with your assertion that clay chips hold their resale value better than CC's or other options, I must respectfully disagree that "hundreds of dollars will get essentially wasted".

In the first place, lower value chip sets still retain SOME resale value, so assuming the initial cost is a few hundred dollars (say a 1000 chip set for $400, probably the outer edge of most nooby initial purchases), and assuming depreciation of 33%, that would only be a bit more than $125 loss, not really "hundreds of dollars".

In the second place, the chips can be purchased new, arrive within a few days, and the new owner can be playing with them, enjoying poker with his buddies, basking in the pride of ownership of something that he likes and enjoys, while still being able to save up for the longer term option of getting Paulsons or CPC's if he so chooses. In other words, the lower priced chips have utility, and that utility is presumably worth a certain amount to the purchaser, in some cases equal to or greater than (and in some cases less than) the depreciation experienced if/when the chips get resold.

I get your contention that if the goal is to collect chips, and especially if the goal is to collect really nice Paulsons or other true clays, then collecting CCs and other lower value option is less efficient, and is in that case "wasting" money. But for some members here, the goal is to have a set of chips that they like, that they feel proud to have acquired, that they can show to and play with their friends, and still be able to pay the rent and feed the kids. And they shouldn't feel pressured or shamed about their choices, IMO. I'm not saying you're the one doing the pressuring or shaming, but it does happen here, either overtly or subtly.

I know I'm a rookie on this site, but I think I can safely say that there are enough members here that aren't able to jump directly to the top tier of chipping, and that want a "soft entry" (yeah, another Out Of Context thread candidate) into the hobby, that they should be encouraged and allowed to follow their own path. But I get where you are coming from, in that they should also be informed that it may not necessarily be the most efficient path, depending on their own personal long term goals.
 
I’m just saying, not everyone needs to get clay chips. This is a poker chip forum. Not a clay poker chip forum. China clays serve many of us very well, even though we fully acknowledge the superiority of clay chips.
Granted, not only does 'not everyone needs to get clay chips", but I'd argue that 'nobody truly NEEDS clay chips', either.

But the truth of the matter is that many people DO end up with clay chips (for a variety of reasons). And for those that do, it makes financial sense to skip the lower-tier chips altogether.
 
@BGinGAI can't argue with your assertion that clay chips hold their resale value better than CC's or other options...

This is just a myth propagated on PCF! Below is a quote made two days ago by another PCF member that shows you could lose a lot more with a Paulson purchase than a CC purchase. Losing $1 per chip (had paid $2.50 per chip) is significant. Other posts have suggested that we're in a "Paulson bubble".

Take my HS Cincy chips for example. I'm motivated to sell because I have to pay for a CPC order I'm going to put in very soon. I paid 2.50/chip from the Chip Exchange per chip once upon a time ago. I've had to lower my selling price (a few times) and take a loss on them because Chip Exchange is lowering the prices on his upcoming sale on the same chip a dollar per chip cheaper than what I paid. Shit happens, but I'm going to close the ad soon and try again later because I tried to sell the chips for two weeks and haven't gotten any interested parties yet.

It sucks that I'm taking a loss on them, but C'est la vie. I'm happy that the market is starting to correct itself with at least some chips.

No shame in putting off mind control - for a short while anyway - enjoy some CCs and Ceramics until you succumb.
 
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This is just a myth propagated on PCF! Below is a quote made two days ago by another PCF member that shows you could lose a lot more with a Paulson purchase than a CC purchase. Losing $1 per chip (had paid $2.50 per chip) is significant. Other posts have suggested that we're in a "Paulson bubble".



No shame in putting off mind control - for a short while anyway - enjoy some CCs and Ceramics until you succumb.
Sorry, but your short-term exposure (less than 30 days) to chip market dynamics hardly puts you in a position to determine what is truth and what is myth.

Overpaying for chips has financial downsides.
 
I bought a 800 chip set of sluggers for 2-table tournaments a couple months ago. They cost me $125 shipped. If I resold them locally, or on PCF, I'd probably lose $50-60. Maybe less, if I find the right buyer(s).

It's not that hard to lose $60 or more when reselling a $1000 to $2000 set of chips, if you consider packing materials, shipping, insurance, etc. . And many of the custom and semi custom sets will lose much more than that if ever resold, when you consider milling, labels, etc. It's also possible that people reselling sets they bought on the bubble will lose hundreds, possibly thousands on their chips.

For me, if someone wants to get a quick upgrade with not much out of pocket, I have no problem recommending China clays, or even some of the better sluggers. Get a good breakdown, and get good rules and practices in place for your game. Then enjoy playing poker while you dream of your ultimate set.
 
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Let's all remember that there are those people we like playing with (and thus get to touch the Paulson's) ... and those who are only there for us to take their money. Perhaps there's a crew that shows up and I frankly don't want their greasy, sausage fingers all over my good chips. Those people get to play with ceramics that can withstand a nuclear winter.
 
Sorry, but your short-term exposure (less than 30 days) to chip market dynamics hardly puts you in a position to determine what is truth and what is myth.

Overpaying for chips has financial downsides.
My personal exposure to chip market dynamics extends to all historical posts on this forum and beyond. And I can confidently report that Paulsons do not, as a rule, hold their value. Like most commodities, they fluctuate, sometimes wildly.

Also, not sure if you're saying the forum member overpaid for his chips initially (which of course would cause the seller of said chips to inherit "bad karma" -> https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/flipping-for-noobs.52212/ ) or that this is just a brief price depression, but if you read the forum threads, you will see that these chips have been selling $1 below what he paid for the past several months. If the buyer did overpay, how is this to be avoided? Is there a PCF sage available to price-guide people toward a Paulson purchase? Is their work guaranteed?

Just imagine if Paulson starts offering brand new chips to the public again for $1 per chip (or if another hoard or secret buy is released to the public).

Financial pretzel logic isn't a good reason to buy Paulsons. The fact that your heart tugs as you to do so or that you desire the pinnacle of chip manufacture artistry are good reasons. Buy them for the right reason, if you buy them at all.

This thread has a great (perhaps extreme) example that clearly shows a 30% plus decline in Paulson (PCA $500 chip) pricing over the past several months (based upon sales in the PCF market price) --> https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/168-x-pca-500-secondaries-by-the-barrel.51270/

These chips have been listed multiple times, with multiple price reductions. PCA $500's have sold in excess of $30, but now are being offered at $20 and haven't sold in several weeks. One member commented "Yep $30-$35 chips being sold for $25 Each!!!!!!!!!! " and another has offered $15 per chip.

Others are concerned about bubble pricing, too --> https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/poker-chip-prices-are-officially-insane.39474/

Versus an entire set of 500 China Clays, you would have lost more by purchasing just three single chips a few months back. Caveat emptor!
 
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