Zr1
High Hand
Flat standard ceramic chip. Card molds are a hybrid. There are 2 or 3 chinese vendors that i know of that do decent chips for price
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Chinese ceramic or Majestic clay chips? For 1st serious custom chips? (3 Viewers)
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OfficerLovejoy
Full House
RichMahogany
Straight Flush
Cards mold chips are not hybrids. They utilized full face dye sublimation printing which is obvious to anyone who has handled them. Hybrid ceramics have a printed center label
CrazyEddie
Full House
A terminology misunderstanding. Cards mold ceramics are molded ceramics, but not hybrids. But both molded ceramics and hybrids are different from "normal" ceramics.
Molded ceramics have debossed designs (cards, diamonds, etc) molded into the chip.
Hybrid ceramics have a central recess molded into the chip and a printed label applied into the recess.
Normal ceramics are plain flat discs.
Molded ceramics have debossed designs (cards, diamonds, etc) molded into the chip.
Hybrid ceramics have a central recess molded into the chip and a printed label applied into the recess.
Normal ceramics are plain flat discs.
Zr1
High Hand
My mistake. I have seen and played with a lot of similar molds that have a sticker inlay
ktran
Flush
Your personal opinion that cards mold sucks is not terribly relevant, and given the over 200,000 that have been bought by the community in the past year or so, including many who already own sets of "real" compressed clay chips, puts you clearly into a minority. Plus your statements that you thought they were a hybrid chip now makes me question if you have even handled them...
The fact is they are an extremely viable consideration for anyone looking for a budget chip. For anyone who really likes standard ceramics with a smooth surface, then yeah, they may not like cards mold as their preference. But that doesn't make them suck, which implies there is some problem with the quality or value of the chip. There's a big difference between "I don't personally like something" and that same something "sucks." For anyone looking at budget china clays and ceramics, and wanting an inexpensive chip that emulates a clay molded chip, cards mold are most assuredly a very good option to at least consider.
Zr1
High Hand
I said i think they suck... thats an opinion... my opinion...not yours not someone else’s but mine. Yes that means to me they suck, i dont like them, not my chip of choice etc... why so sensitive? I never said no one likes them or they arent a good chip for people who like them. Doubt all you want bro doesnt bother me. i said i made a mistake. There are so many similar Molds out there thAt have just a few minor design difference’s. Some inlays some not. What does 200000 have anything to do with me having an opinion? If u disagree all good i get it...i dont expect or care if anyone agrees with what i like or dont like.
I tried to explain. Maybe you didn't read all of my post. I don't like these chips is an opinion. They suck implies they are of poor quality and are not a good value. They shouldn't even be considered. So to someone looking for options for a budget chip, you told him not to even bother looking at them. So how is that helpful to this thread?
Zr1
High Hand
You might have a good point lol
I've handled Card mold ceramics, and I think they handle and sound well in comparison to other ceramics, and (to me) much better than China Clays (whether or not they contain kaolin as a major ingredient). However, I still won't recommend them over other well established companies like BR Pro and Sun-Fly. Mostly because the latter companies are forum sponsors and have a great reputation for customer service AND they have ethical principles like not ripping off other peoples' (or companies') designs and offering them as stock to whoever is willing to pay.
This misunderstanding is easily rectified by snapping the edge of a Milano off.
A true clay compression chip will have edge spot clay running through the chip (ie. the edge spot is one piece of clay).
A China clay plastic chip will be one colour inside with edge spots 'painted' on.
There are definitely at least some China Clays that have the spot colors all the way through. Spirit Molds if I remember correctly and NexGen chips too. Likely others.This misunderstanding is easily rectified by snapping the edge of a Milano off.
A true clay compression chip will have edge spot clay running through the chip (ie. the edge spot is one piece of clay).
A China clay plastic chip will be one colour inside with edge spots 'painted' on.
CrazyEddie
Full House
Sorry, but that's not correct. Plastic chips, including china clays, are injection-molded using multi-part multi-color molds. The spots aren't painted on; they're solid. The chip body is made using one partial mold, and each different color of spot is made using a separate partial mold. Here's a post with some further explanation, including a video showing how multi-part injection molds work: https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...-clay-faux-clay-now.80969/page-2#post-1663467This misunderstanding is easily rectified by snapping the edge of a Milano off.
A true clay compression chip will have edge spot clay running through the chip (ie. the edge spot is one piece of clay).
A China clay plastic chip will be one colour inside with edge spots 'painted' on.
You can, however, tell the difference between china clays and casino clays pretty easily. Casino clays are compression-molded, which means that the inlay is actually inlaid so that it's flush with the surface of the center recess; the inlay is placed on top of the chip before the chip is pressed in the mold, so the mold presses the inlay into the chip. China clays are injection-molded, which means that the "inlay" is actually a decal - a sticker - and the decal is adhered to the surface of the center recess and so sits on top of the surface of the center recess; the decal is placed onto the chip after the chip has been fully molded and has been removed from the injection mold.
They all have the spot colors all the way through.
Listen to @CrazyEddie!
Ahh my mistake, I have seen a few snapped for research purposes like this and thought it extended to all CCs. I have a couple of snapped Majestics which have a smidge of color under the surface, but otherwise the chip is solid color all the way through.
I retract what I said, the misunderstanding is not as easily rectified!
Hey guys i honestly wasnt trying to stir things up and i am not an expert on any chips and have never claimed to be. Also i would have never ever suggested milanos to anyone as a chip to customize if they wanted to spend money but when i hear “my first set” or whatever was stated i know the milanos play ok and knew he could get them at a good price and he could get them “bare to put on hos own decal to have a “first set” cheaper chip custom set. I only suggested milanos because i honestly feel they stack a little better and hold a little better than some other lower to middle end “custom” chips. Obviously the classic poker chips would be my first choice unless i could simehow get a custome set of paulsons. Anyway bad advice from me and i apologize for anyone on here i offended. I really was trying to be helpful to someone who inthought was hust teying to put a cheaper custom set of chips together and inwas trying to give a potentially helpful idea. Also i am newer on here and i am trying to participate in some of these posts. Love this site and want to learn more and do mot want to offend people.
Don't worry about it too much, we've all been there. I'm super new too, and I'm sure I've repeated information that wasn't totally correct. You were trying to help, and the other members who commented to correct the part of the information you had incorrectly were also trying to help. Same goals!
(I usually disclaim too much, saying "I think" and "probably" because I'm not sure. Like the comment I made about China Clays having their spot colors all the way through, I was pretty confident they all did, but I wasn't 100% sure, so I only said the ones I knew for certain, which were the Spirit Molds and NexGen ones, because I've seen them broken in pieces.)
If you plan on customizing a China Clay set with labels you should expect to add 20 to 30 cents per chip, I wouldn’t recommend that because you might as well buy a real casino set at that range.
Ceramics would be your best option for a cheap custom set, otherwise I’d advise you to get a Paulson set.
Like the energy in this thread though.
Ceramics would be your best option for a cheap custom set, otherwise I’d advise you to get a Paulson set.
Like the energy in this thread though.
Kid_Eastwood
4 of a Kind
I share the same opinion.
Also, BRPro & Sun-Fly do not have spinners or their edge alignment is much better too. They are quite with inexpensive Card Molds.
There are actually much cheaper options for custom labeling budget chips than Gear. I have a thread somewhere that describes my initial struggle to do that back in 2020. I did all the heavy lifting and came up with a very acceptable label from Avery for my china clay PGI 8Vs. About 5 cents a chip if you have access to a decent printer and are OK with lots of DIY.
Another option is a company called Sticker Mule and there is a very active thread on that one here too. I'm thinking of trying them out for another custom set I'm putting together on a budget. I believe they come in around (or under?) 10 cents a chip. Several others have used them and are happy, while clearly realizing they are not the same quality as Gear. But very acceptable quality for china clays.
Zr1
High Hand
BRpro is by far the best imo. Great chips
Kid_Eastwood
4 of a Kind
tabletalker7
Full House
Mortalpawn
Two Pair
Reading all the way back to the OP, it appears to me he is clearly asking about cards mold chips - he even included a picture of the cards mold chips on his second post. Cards mold are ceramic chips. For inexpensive custom ceramics they are a good option. The other ceramic printers (BR Pro, Sunfly, etc...) are also good but are at a higher price point, especially if you want to get them edge aligned.
In terms of china clay, ceramics/cards mold and real clay I think most of us rate china clay at the bottom, ceramics and cards mold in the middle and real compression clay chips (CPC, Paulson, etc...) at the top.
As you can see from the posts, some people like cards mold chips, and some people don't. Some people also don't like regular ceramics. Most of us love real clay chips (Paulsons, CPC) but the price point of those starts at something like 5x the cost of cards mold and goes up from there.
Here's the thread on ordering cards mold which is a little more complex than ordering from a domestic vendor:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ramics-master-consolidated-info-thread.65544/
If you want to go with another vendor like BR Pro or Sunfly it is pretty easy to pull up their website and look up their custom pricing so you can compare.
In terms of china clay, ceramics/cards mold and real clay I think most of us rate china clay at the bottom, ceramics and cards mold in the middle and real compression clay chips (CPC, Paulson, etc...) at the top.
As you can see from the posts, some people like cards mold chips, and some people don't. Some people also don't like regular ceramics. Most of us love real clay chips (Paulsons, CPC) but the price point of those starts at something like 5x the cost of cards mold and goes up from there.
Here's the thread on ordering cards mold which is a little more complex than ordering from a domestic vendor:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ramics-master-consolidated-info-thread.65544/
If you want to go with another vendor like BR Pro or Sunfly it is pretty easy to pull up their website and look up their custom pricing so you can compare.
philhut
Flush
What ever happened? What did the original poster order? I don't know if Chinese cards mold chips are really much cheaper if ordered in small lots of 500 or so chips. I'd recommend a domestic source unless part of a group buy that drives the price down a lot. I did order 3575 Anita's cards mold and they are great but the cost was only about 30cents per chip and reshipping back then making them a screaming deal. At current prices much of that value is lost and honestly I have not bought chips from BR ori but the 47mm Boba fetts I received in another group buy have a great finish and I wouldn't hesitate to order ceramics there were I in the market again.
Did you mean to reply to a specific post? I remember a couple of years ago when we were just getting going with cards mold, they were 28 cents before any shipping, and you could order plain ceramic blanks (no mold) for about 20-22 cents. But as far as I know, all the costs have gone up so I would guess that plain no mold chips are probably in the high 20s now. Plus shipping from China.
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