They would have to buy a new spot punch which would be prohibitively expensive.
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Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
If I recall, the half-moons were laser printed.
CrazyEddie
Full House
3d-printed, but yes.
I thought they remedied that situation with some sort of 3-D printing? That’s why the tri-moon spot became available?
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Yeah - I guess a well printed photo on an 8.5 x 11 wouldn't cut much clay.
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
I would like to add 3D38 and 3TA14 to the suggestion box as well please
Unfortunately they are slammed with almost more orders than they can handle. They probably dont have the time to dive into expanding offerings.
Anybody else waiting for HHRs?
I believe that I have seen the spot on casino chips. They may have been ASM, but CPC would have inherited the punches. I believe it is casino only, but someone would need to confirm with David.
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
Some would consider having an ample amount of business, "fortunate"....
I am selfish and needy...
New spots would be cool but I'm more interested in the pipe dream of new colors.
dg aqua/teal
bright yellow (unweighted)
beige
light pink
light dg purple (akin to Paulson's "desert flower")
plum/grape
...to name a few of my top pics. I know... not likely in my lifetime.
Eloe2000
Straight Flush
New spots would be cool but I'm more interested in the pipe dream of new colors.
dg aqua/teal
bright yellow (unweighted)
beige
light pink
light dg purple (akin to Paulson's "desert flower")
plum/grape
...to name a few of my top pics. I know... not likely in my lifetime.
I hear ya. I think more colors aren't an impossibility. And I am sure he hears about the yellow demand all the time. DG Peacock is pretty new.
HHRs starting shipping about 3 weeks ago, I believe that's one of the molds currently in.
New spots would be cool but I'm more interested in the pipe dream of new colors.
dg aqua/teal
bright yellow (unweighted)
beige
light pink
light dg purple (akin to Paulson's "desert flower")
plum/grape
...to name a few of my top pics. I know... not likely in my lifetime.
A brighter DG-like light blue and a lighter teal / turquoise color additions would be my picks, even over yellow.
I’ve oddly welcomed not having a new yellow. Forces you to get creative if that’s normally your style
Has 38 colors - "we need more options!"
I remember when I was a kid and we only had three colors! Primary's! And you had to walk uphill without shoes to use them! Kids these days!
The 3D printing only works for certain types of spots, like half-moons. I’ve asked David about this before, and he told me a 4916 spot punch could not be 3D printed. Same with 3TA14/3D38 spots and bearclaws.
CrazyEddie
Full House
The problem is that nearly any investment into CPC is unlikely to ever pay off. As things are now, they're running at maximum capacity and still have an order book that's six months long. Nothing they do can bring in more money because they're already bringing in as much money as they can.
For a new punch to pay back its cost, they'd have to add a premium to that spot pattern above and beyond the already-existing premiums they charge for the labor involved in each pattern. David would have to estimate how many people would be willing to pay an extra $X for that pattern on Y chips over Z months and see if that's enough to cover his development costs and then hopefully be profitable afterwards. If so, then he probably doesn't need an investor, he can probably afford to invest that much out of his own pocket as long as it'll eventually pay off. If not, then getting an investor won't help, unless that investor wants to become a donor.
If I inherit some diamond mines from an uncle of mine in Africa, I 'll remember CPC in my will.
I hope future chipper generations won't have to go through the hardships we went.
I hope future chipper generations won't have to go through the hardships we went.
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
Yeah - I guess a well printed photo on an 8.5 x 11 wouldn't cut much clay.
Perhaps they should use an NFT? (sarcasm)
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
It reminds me a little of the first car that was affordable to the common man, the Model-T.
There was no incentive to produce more colors, although demand for other colors were high. Model-T production was immense, and black was the fastest to complete (due to shorter drying times with the black paint).
"Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants, so long as it is black"
Maybe I don’t understand business enough or the prohibitive nature of colors and molds in CPC’s business model. But it’s absolutely bonkers that a company who has a line of customers around the block can’t add a new color or mold once a year.
They have reviewed why it's not worth it. Apparently colors take a ton of money to add and don't guarantee it's going to work. Add that to them having plenty of business.....
Sometimes when these is a line around the block, expanding is the worst thing you can do. The lines going to still be there, why make it bigger? Because production can't be expanded easily.... You are just going to expand wait times, and we all know people on PCF Love wait times.....
Are you implying we’re impatient sir?! How dare you!
Nex
Flush
I haven't yet seen an official explanation that it would somehow be physically impossible to make an e.g. 4916 punch as mentioned via 3D printing, but I did read an explanation from David that certain spot types simply won't withstand the wear, that the spots would fall out. This stems from the specific properties of the clay material as well as the production method, and this can't be changed or worked around unless they throw everything out and begin from scratch.
As for the colors, like Josh Kifer said I think David once said the R&D cost to get from some purchased color pigments to a working clay recipe that they can use in their existing process is extremely high.
RainmanTrail
Straight Flush
I think Spragg mentioned somewhere that he can't do a 4-punch pattern with 3D printed parts because one of the 4 legs always warps, whereas with 3, they are all stable, which makes sense. Tables with 4 legs can wobble, but tables with 3 legs can't.
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