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25NL Zone, anonymous 6 max fast fold on Ignition

Hero in BB with :8d::8s: is effective stack with $26.20.
Folds to villain on BN who raises to $0.75 (3BB is standard).
Hero flats.

Pot is $1.52. Flop is :kc::3h::ks:. Villain cbets $0.51 (1/3 pot). Hero raises to $1.78. Villain calls.

Pot is $4.91. Turn is :kc::3h::ks::8h:. Hero checks, villain checks.

Pot is $4.91. River is :kc::3h::ks::8h::2s:. Hero bets $5.51 (overbet pot). Villain jams $25.15.

Hero?
 
boltonguy said:
25NL Zone, anonymous 6 max fast fold on Ignition

Hero in BB with :8d::8s: is effective stack with $26.20.
Folds to villain on BN who raises to $0.75 (3BB is standard).
Hero flats.

Pot is $1.52. Flop is :kc::3h::ks:. Villain cbets $0.51 (1/3 pot). Hero raises to $1.78. Villain calls.

Pot is $4.91. Turn is :kc::3h::ks::8h:. Hero checks, villain checks.

Pot is $4.91. River is :kc::3h::ks::8h::2s:. Hero bets $5.51 (overbet pot). Villain jams $25.15.

Hero?
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I’m thinking yes, call.
What beats you ? KK, K3, K8, K2?
But what would a Preflop raising hand look like?

I think most likely villain has something like AQ, JJ and making a move or maybe AK, KQ and think they trapped.
 
Snap call 100bb effective. I think unless the villain is a maniac you’re only losing to one combo of KK, and mayyybe two combos of K8ss. I think you’re much more likely to see all of the combos of AK, KQ, KJ.

I don’t understand why you raised the flop when you’re clearly way ahead or way behind and then check when you hit your gin card. Should be calling to realize equity and then trying to get as much money in for value as possible...no?
 
kmccormick100 said:
I don’t understand why you raised the flop when you’re clearly way ahead or way behind and then check when you hit your gin card. Should be calling to realize equity and then trying to get as much money in for value as possible...no?
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Its anonymous which leaves room for experimentation that doesnt stick with you. I figured with two Ks out there odds of him having a K were low given BN's wide range and I'm stronger than most of the pocket pairs in his range. If he called I was going to give up. I checked the turn to make it look like what it was a bluff raise that didnt work and project weakness. He clearly has a king calling and I want him to pile his money in now that I've boated up.
 
Eriks said:
If you only expect him to continue with a king, raising the flop makes little sense.
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I thought the odds of him having a K were low with two of them out there and the wide BN range.
If correct I would probably have the best hand and could take it down with my flop bet.
Bet favors his range so I'm thinking he is cbetting range here.
He called so I thought it was 100% likely that he had a K.

I put this in Flopzilla to show that I am likely best 75% of the time but I need protection from overs coming on the turn.

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I agree you’re likely best on the flop but raising turns your hand into a bluff and bloats the pot oop with a very marginal hand. There is some value in ”taking it down/protecting from overs but I think calling is the better play
 
I think always gotta be a call here, blocking K8, I can't see villan checking king 3 back on the turn. I could def see him checking 2s back and thanking the gambling gods when the 2 comes. I also like a 3 bet pre flop in these zoom type games.
 
Easy call here. He might have one king bit definitely not both. In all reality villain has nothing here. You are good.
 
Eriks said:
I agree you’re likely best on the flop but raising turns your hand into a bluff and bloats the pot oop with a very marginal hand. There is some value in ”taking it down/protecting from overs but I think calling is the better play
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I agree generally. Given that it is anonymous I sometimes try extra aggression when I think I am ahead.
 
Interesting hand... answer first: I call the jam.

Pre-flop, villain on button with gold to him should be raising with just about any two cards. Lots of Kx in their range.

on the flop, villains c-bet is also very typical. I like Hero’s check raise here to win the hand given villain should be c-betting in almost all instances. Villain just flatting the re-raise, makes me feel like he could be somewhat stronger. At this point i would be thinking decent chance they have Kx, or some big broadways that they have a hard times letting go of.

on turn... the check, check is really interesting. It’s the right trap by hero imo. Set the trap after you turn the second nuts. Villain clearly looking to slow down a bit after checking back. So now I am feeling like villain may just have some broadways / nothing that they didn’t want to let go of.

On River... given hero’s over bet, villain may feel like this is a straight bluff given hero showed some weakness after just checking the turn in response to villain calling hero’s check-raise (which is the right move on the flop given villain’s pre-flop raise and c-bet range). So I am inclined to think villain is bluffing here. There’s a chance villain has Kx which we beat. There’s also a chance of KK, K8, K3 or K2 but we take those odds. Call.
 
pharaohone said:
Interesting hand... answer first: I call the jam.

Pre-flop, villain on button with gold to him should be raising with just about any two cards. Lots of Kx in their range.

on the flop, villains c-bet is also very typical. I like Hero’s check raise here to win the hand given villain should be c-betting in almost all instances. Villain just flatting the re-raise, makes me feel like he could be somewhat stronger. At this point i would be thinking decent chance they have Kx, or some big broadways that they have a hard times letting go of.

on turn... the check, check is really interesting. It’s the right trap by hero imo. Set the trap after you turn the second nuts. Villain clearly looking to slow down a bit after checking back. So now I am feeling like villain may just have some broadways / nothing that they didn’t want to let go of.

On River... given hero’s over bet, villain may feel like this is a straight bluff given hero showed some weakness after just checking the turn in response to villain calling hero’s check-raise (which is the right move on the flop given villain’s pre-flop raise and c-bet range). So I am inclined to think villain is bluffing here. There’s a chance villain has Kx which we beat. There’s also a chance of KK, K8, K3 or K2 but we take those odds. Call.
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You read my mind on this hand. Overbet supposed to look like a bluff after he checked.
Polarizing sizing but push to bluff as I checked turn after he calls my flop raise,
 
I haven’t played on the site at those stakes, but in general people do not bluff raise rivers anywhere near as much as they show up with the nuts. I’m probably calling it off here hoping he’s spazzing with Kx, but if you always hero fold river raises you won’t be that bad off.

The flop and turn are played terrible though IMO. You’re getting stacked this hand no matter what line but you missed a ton of value against Kx that calls turn & river.
 
Frogzilla said:
I haven’t played on the site at those stakes, but in general people do not bluff raise rivers anywhere near as much as they show up with the nuts. I’m probably calling it off here hoping he’s spazzing with Kx, but if you always hero fold river raises you won’t be that bad off.

The flop and turn are played terrible though IMO. You’re getting stacked this hand no matter what line but you missed a ton of value against Kx that calls turn & river.
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I dont know - lets say V is just cbetting range here and doesnt have a K. Hero just calls and a A/Q/J/T hits turn and V fires again - do you call turn with 88? Youre pretty exposed to a lot of turn cards and are well favored to have the best hand on the flop.
 
Snap call. Very unfortunate runout for 88 there.
 
Did you go full Daniel Negreanu and moan about how lucky V was in the chat? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 

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