Do you deal your own home games or do you rotate? (1 Viewer)

[manamongkids]

rifle usually done with thumbs, like a casino dealer, a shuffle could be many different things: bridge, rifle, continuos small cuts of the cards

 

[atomiktoaster]

What is the difference between shuffle and riffle? And strip and box? Sorry, I got my terminology from TruePokerDealer on Youtube and have been doing what he's doing.

In the context here, shuffle=riffle (but shuffle can be used in a general sense, too). There's some technical distinction between box and strip, (one is a few cards at a time, the other is 1/3 of the deck roughly). Just do the 1/3 of the deck version so the top of the deck gets mixed in lower.

 

[T_Chan]

AFAIK a riffle is just a type of shuffle. I split the deck in half as the deck is facing down, then I pull up 2 corners and riffle the decks together rather than picking up the entire deck, splitting it in half and doing a full bridge shuffle. This way no cards, especially the bottom card, is ever exposed.

Strip is multiple overhand cuts,

I don't do it as fancy as he does off to the side, I just go overhand pulling off a chunk of cards each time.

 

[Jambine]

AFAIK a riffle is just a type of shuffle. I split the deck in half as the deck is facing down, then I pull up 2 corners and riffle the decks together rather than picking up the entire deck, splitting it in half and doing a full bridge shuffle. This way no cards, especially the bottom card, is ever exposed.

Strip is multiple overhand cuts,

I don't do it as fancy as he does off to the side, I just go overhand pulling off a chunk of cards each time.

Don't know who "pokerology" is but their video is incorrect. Strip should always be done from top of the deck to the felt (so everyone can see whats happening)

 

[Jambine]

What is the difference between shuffle and riffle? And strip and box? Sorry, I got my terminology from TruePokerDealer on Youtube and have been doing what he's doing.

I think most who are using the term "riffle" actually mean shuffle

 

[mummel]

This is serious business. You should see our games........ Cards often go flying because I have those beautiful Da Vinci acetate cards which as slippery as hell. NOOBS!

 

[Mental Nomad]

Don't know who "pokerology" is but their video is incorrect. Strip should always be done from top of the deck to the felt (so everyone can see whats happening)

You're right; they're wrong. What they're showing is a funky kind of box, not a strip.

 

[T_Chan]

Looks like I chose a bad video to use as an example. My bad.

This is a better one I think, though I normally do less than 1/3rd of the deck so I do more like 8 strips, not just 2.

 

[Poker Zombie]

This is serious business. You should see our games........ Cards often go flying because I have those beautiful Da Vinci acetate cards which as slippery as hell. NOOBS!

If they're that bad, when it's their turn to shuffle offer them a bucket and a stick.

 

[BGinGA]

I thought correct process was:

wash - riffle - riffle - strip (at least 4) - riffle - cut
or
wash - riffle - strip (at least 4) - riffle - riffle - cut

The more times you riffle/shuffle beyond three total, the more likely the cards end up back in their original placements. Going from memory, I think seven perfect shuffles orient a deck back to it's original order (which is why the strip is necessary to help promote randomness).

 

[mummel]

I thought correct process was:

wash - riffle - riffle - strip (at least 4) - riffle - cut
or
wash - riffle - strip (at least 4) - riffle - riffle - cut

The more times you riffle/shuffle beyond three total, the more likely the cards end up back in their original placements. Going from memory, I think seven perfect shuffles orient a deck back to it's original order (which is why the strip is necessary to help promote randomness).

I have the exact same cards (suited and everything), dealt to me once, back to back. What are the odds?

 

[bentax1978]

I have the exact same cards (suited and everything), dealt to me once, back-to-back. What are the odds?

Assuming your question wasn't rhetorical:

In Hold'em, there's a 1 in 1326 that any given hand will be identical to the last.

So if you play for a night and see 200 hands, the chances are about 14% that you'll get back-to-back Hold'em hands that are literally identical at least one time during the night.

Play around 900 hands, and the odds are 50/50 that it will happen at least once.

Play once a week for a year (10,000 hands) and the odds are 99.95% that it will happen at least once during that time.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I have the exact same cards (suited and everything), dealt to me once, back to back. What are the odds?

In the exact order, 1 in 2,652. In either order,1,326.

If it was 7-2 off, 1 in 9.

 

[atomiktoaster]

Assuming your question wasn't rhetorical:

In Hold'em, there's a 1 in 1326 that any given hand will be identical to the last.

So if you play for a night and see 200 hands, the chances are about 14% that you'll get back-to-back Hold'em hands that are literally identical at least one time during the night.

Play around 900 hands, and the odds are 50/50 that it will happen at least once.

Play once a week for a year (10,000 hands) and the odds are 99.95% that it will happen at least once during that time.

EDIT: Had some quick second thoughts. Don't try to think about math before coffee kids.

 

[bentax1978]

EDIT: Had some quick second thoughts. Don't try to think about math before coffee kids.

I do all my math before I drink coffee, but only because I've never had a cup of coffee.

 

[mummel]

Assuming your question wasn't rhetorical:

In Hold'em, there's a 1 in 1326 that any given hand will be identical to the last.

So if you play for a night and see 200 hands, the chances are about 14% that you'll get back-to-back Hold'em hands that are literally identical at least one time during the night.

Play around 900 hands, and the odds are 50/50 that it will happen at least once.

Play once a week for a year (10,000 hands) and the odds are 99.95% that it will happen at least once during that time.

I thought the odds were much rarer. Cool TY.

 

[Jambine]

I thought correct process was:

wash - riffle - riffle - strip (at least 4) - riffle - cut
or
wash - riffle - strip (at least 4) - riffle - riffle - cut

The more times you riffle/shuffle beyond three total, the more likely the cards end up back in their original placements. Going from memory, I think seven perfect shuffles orient a deck back to it's original order (which is why the strip is necessary to help promote randomness).

That's it. As long as you have a strip in between 2 of the riffles its good.

Also a good point on de-randomizing the shuffle by continuing to shuffle. There have been Phd Thesis in math written on the best way to randomize a single deck. The most random shuffles end up at (something like) 15 or more operations. Not practical from a time perspective, which is why you see virtually all poker rooms using the riffle-riffle-strip-riffle-cut

 

[T_Chan]

Time to change up my routine

 

[bentax1978]

I thought the odds were much rarer. Cool TY.

Just to throw a few more odds at you that you might find interesting, if you take away the requirement that the hands be back-to-back, the odds of getting the exact same hand (1326 different hand combinations) are 50% over the course of just 43 hands being dealt.

If you don't care about the specific suits, and just looks at the 169 different starting hands, there's a 52% chance you'll have the same starting hand over the course of only 16 hands being dealt. Over the course of 30 hands (about an hour of play), the odds are 94% that you'll have the same hand at least one time during that time period.

 

[manamongkids]

hypothetical: if the group you play/host with regularly are openly terrible at dealing, and you have the ability to simultaneously deal and play at the same time, do you accept tips?

If you accept tips (hosts decision) those are kept separate from your stack, correct?


Real application: the game I play in I am way and above the most proficient dealer, they always ask if I mind dealing, while I dont mind persay, I dont thoroughly enjoy it; but I understand the benefit from a +EV perspective, as the game is much faster when I deal, I do the math for what is owed to the pot, keep the action moving. most importantly, more hands per hour.

Yes, they do occasionally tip me here and there, but im not sure where I stand on this personally.

I like the game moving faster but i also dont want to deal for 5-6 hours for measly tips.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I really enjoy dealing. I just don't like dealing while playing. It's an attention dividing thing for me. Although playing a bit loser on the button (with no previous raises) is wise, if the deck is in my hand I play crazy tight, just so I don't have to divide my attention.

 

[T_Chan]

My biggest peeve about dealing when I'm in the game is that everyone always forgets about me when I'm in the hand so many times I get skipped and the next player will take their action before I do.

On tipping, if I get tipped (which I never do), it would be separate from my stack.

 

[pltrgyst]

hypothetical: if the group you play/host with regularly are openly terrible at dealing, and you have the ability to simultaneously deal and play at the same time, do you accept tips?

Never.

I do it because I want the game to be a weekly success. That's good enough for me.