Donk Story/Vent Thread (1 Viewer)

[allforcharity]

Put his Xbox and games on craigslist as a free curb alert and make him watch it get picked up, that's like parenting 101!

Bonus parenting points if you videotape him crying and share to social media!

I think there is a reason I just have cats, good lord I'm a monster!

I should have known that (my) Jack King off would lead to no good.

 

[JMC9389]

I'm officially on a bad losing streak. Last three games (online and in person combined in the past three weeks) I've lost more than half my original buy in.

Tonight I got beat boat over boat, boat over flopped trips, and trips over my trips in which I had a lower kicker. To top it off, last bomb pot hand on the night, the TAG player to my left on a flop of 10 7 4 rainbow goes all in for his remaining stack (about 50 BB's). Folds around to me, I'm sitting there with a little more than 150 BB's with A 10 and call, because hey, at least I flopped top pair and he took as many bad beats as I did tonight and he's probably on tilt.

He turns over 3 4 and a god damn 4 comes up on the turn. River was another 7 which gives him the boat. Suck out city tonight. The only hand I really played poorly I think was the trips over same trips in which I had the lower kicker. Should have figured that villain would have had me outkicked. After a game I already committed to happens on Friday, I think I'm taking a break for a couple of weeks. I don't feel like I'm playing well and at my best.

 

[JMC9389]

A lot of my problem last night too was that I was getting absolute dog crap cards. Started with Kings just once, had 6's once, and 4's twice to start. I won 3 of those 4 hands including what I thought was a great bluff with the 6's on a straight draw board where I knew villain didn't have it, but other than that, I had Ax a ton non suited without any face cards. A lot of A8, A3, etc. Not really much to play with. I lost a lot of money playing dog shit defending my blinds from the limpers, flopping something, but ending up losing to something better.

I'm playing with some posters here Friday. Fair warning to those guys that I'll be nitting it up.

 

[Gobbs]

A lot of my problem last night too was that I was getting absolute dog crap cards.

Never, ever, ever tell that to anybody (and actually mean it). All you are telling people when you say that is that you can't win unless you get good cards. That's not the image you want to be portraying.

 

[JMC9389]

Never, ever, ever tell that to anybody (and actually mean it). All you are telling people when you say that is that you can't win unless you get good cards. That's not the image you want to be portraying.

I like to think my table image is that of a TAG player that's capable of some large bluffs every now and then. I pulled off one of those heists last night with nothing but pocket 6's on a straight draw board.

I guess a better way to put it is that I wasn't getting too many premium hands to play with out of the gate.

I had a couple of suited connectors that I bet when I was in late position as well, but none of my draws ended up hitting.

There had to have been 8 full house hands that made showdown last night. I hit a boat once, and ended up losing to a larger boat. I'm going to post a hand in the strategy sub in a bit where I lost a large chunk of my stack in a bit, eager to hear some thoughts when it goes up. I'm always willing to learn and patch up holes in my game.

 

[Gobbs]

I like to think my table image is that of a TAG player that's capable of some large bluffs every now and then.

I like to think my image is that of a Norse God capable of incredible feats of strength and mentalism, but that doesn't mean it's true. (Sorry...I'm just teasing. I couldn't resist.)

Seriously, it sounds like you had some decent cards and just weren't hitting. To put it politely, it happens to everybody who isn't playing several levels below their skill level.

 

[allforcharity]

I feel your pain. Boat over nut flush, boat over high 2 pair, all pocket pairs cracked. Good times.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

I got up a buy-in playing 25NL last night.

Raised to 4x preflop with AA in EP after one limper. Small blind shoves for about 45 BBs, BB calls. I reshove for close to 100BBs.

SB shows QQ, BB calls another 40 BBs or so and shows A2o. I scoop the pot, and am sitting at more than 200 BBs.

Donk away a good portion calling down a QJ5 trash trash with KQo in the SB from the button raiser who flopped two pair. Dude had been a madman, and figured he was just barreling or had one pair.

I donked away the rest of that buy-in I won with AQs on the button and just making dumb cbets.

Felt like a real idiot. Just started playing 25NL, and I am my own worst enemy it seems.

 

[JMC9389]

Looking for feedback if I actually played these hands poorly or not:

Hand #1: I'm in the big blind and I see JK suited of spades. Blinds are 600/1200 and I'm chip leader on my third buy in of the night after storming back from low stack just a couple orbits prior. I'm sitting at about 30K (25ish big blinds) in the chip lead. HJ to 3k. Cut off raises all in for the rest of his stack which is about 5 big blinds. I'm thinking I have a good but not great hand to four bet here. HJ is mostly a tight aggressive player but has very good table awareness as I believe he'd have a pretty big range to get HJ all in. Cut off is a tight passive player for the most part. I end up flat calling and so does the HJ.

Three ways to the flop comes very dry at Q 7 8 rainbow. I check and HJ checks back. Turn comes a king. Goes check/check again. River comes a 4 with no possibility of a flush on the board. I bet 5k and HJ folds leaving me heads up with cut off who's all in. Cut off turns over 5 6 suited and he triples up. Cooler #1.

Hand #2: I'm HJ and I pick up queens. At this point the blinds are 1000/2000 and I'm about 11 big blinds deep. I raise to 5k. Cut off goes all in with about 1.5 big blinds. Button folds, and both SB (cut off from hand #1) and BB call. I have both covered and I flat call.

Flop comes 10 3 6 with two spades. I shove all in for 22k and to my bewilderment both SB and BB call. Turn is a 7, and the river a three with no flush draws on the board.

I come to find out that I turn over my queens and I have the worst hand of the four. Cut off has 2 3 of spades. SB has 2 3 of hearts and BB has 7's for the boat. I walk away with nothing and I'm out second after having the chip lead just 30 minutes prior because of these two hands.

The new customs curse was very, very real for me.

 

[boltonguy]

I don’t play tournaments so take this for what it is: hand 1 I’m folding. If I don’t fold I over jam to keep the HJ out of the hand but I don’t think this hand is strong enough so I fold. Hand 2, I’m probably not jamming here multi-way, probably just betting 1/2 pot, but I’m ok with it. Two calls would slow me down and maybe I’d make it out of the hand with somethung left.

 

[PlayerADK]

I don’t play tournaments so take this for what it is: hand 1 I’m folding. If I don’t fold I over jam to keep the HJ out of the hand but I don’t think this hand is strong enough so I fold. Hand 2, I’m probably not jamming here multi-way, probably just betting 1/2 pot, but I’m ok with it. Two calls would slow me down and maybe I’d make it out of the hand with somethung left.

I'd definitely flat for 5bb in this scenario. Same check on the flop, although I'd have bet on the turn.

Hand 2 I also wouldn't jam, and he didn't, so I'd probably have bet 5k here as well. Then they did the betting for him, and I'd have called here as well.

Both hands played well in my opinion.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Looking for feedback if I actually played these hands poorly or not:

Hand #1: I'm in the big blind and I see JK suited of spades. Blinds are 600/1200 and I'm chip leader on my third buy in of the night after storming back from low stack just a couple orbits prior. I'm sitting at about 30K (25ish big blinds) in the chip lead. HJ to 3k. Cut off raises all in for the rest of his stack which is about 5 big blinds. I'm thinking I have a good but not great hand to four bet here. HJ is mostly a tight aggressive player but has very good table awareness as I believe he'd have a pretty big range to get HJ all in. Cut off is a tight passive player for the most part. I end up flat calling and so does the HJ.

Three ways to the flop comes very dry at Q 7 8 rainbow. I check and HJ checks back. Turn comes a king. Goes check/check again. River comes a 4 with no possibility of a flush on the board. I bet 5k and HJ folds leaving me heads up with cut off who's all in. Cut off turns over 5 6 suited and he triples up. Cooler #1.

Hand #2: I'm HJ and I pick up queens. At this point the blinds are 1000/2000 and I'm about 11 big blinds deep. I raise to 5k. Cut off goes all in with about 1.5 big blinds. Button folds, and both SB (cut off from hand #1) and BB call. I have both covered and I flat call.

Flop comes 10 3 2 with two spades. I shove all in for 22k and to my bewilderment both SB and BB call. Turn is a 7, and the river a three with no flush draws on the board.

I come to find out that I turn over my queens and I have the worst hand of the four. Cut off has 2 3 of spades. SB has 2 3 of hearts and BB has 7's for the boat. I walk away with nothing and I'm out second after having the chip lead just 30 minutes prior because of these two hands.

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The new customs curse was very, very real for me.

Hand 1 is fold or shove to isolate, calling for me seems the worst option

Hand 2 is shove pre. We have 11 bigs, no need to get cute with them. I believe up to 14-15 bb's can be a straight shove pre these days. And generally 20bb's is reshove stack size (i.e. come over the top of another raise)

 

[boltonguy]

I thought he jammed flop on hand 2?

 

[PlayerADK]

I thought he jammed flop on hand 2?

Yeah I misread, my bad

 

[FordPickup92]

Hand 1 is fold or shove to isolate, calling for me seems the worst option

Hand 2 is shove pre. We have 11 bigs, no need to get cute with them. I believe up to 14-15 bb's can be a straight shove pre these days. And generally 20bb's is reshove stack size (i.e. come over the top of another raise)

^this

 

[JMC9389]

Hand 1 is fold or shove to isolate, calling for me seems the worst option

Hand 2 is shove pre. We have 11 bigs, no need to get cute with them. I believe up to 14-15 bb's can be a straight shove pre these days. And generally 20bb's is reshove stack size (i.e. come over the top of another raise)

This is my thought process with each hand:

Hand #1 I look down at a good but not great hand. I flatted to get a sense of what HJ would do post flop. If I shove and he calls I'm a definite dog to a pocket pair or AK. I'm folding to any bet post flop. HJ checking back tells me that he's slow playing a monster like KK or AA or went in with suited connectors or a hand very similar to mine like AQ, AJ, A10, or even K10 or KJ suited like me and didn't hit on the flop. I checked after I hit my king to see if he had one too. Villain is a player that would have tried to buy it right here on the turn to get me out if he had it. I would have folded to a HJ shove here or on the river. I bet modestly on the river to see if he would go over the top to see if he hit a draw or not with the 4 coming out. Unfortunately cut off did and it does not seem HJ did since he folded to my modest bet. I put HJ on Ax suited here.

Hand #2 with my queens I did not shove right away to try and get some action. I think if I was below 10 BB's I would have shoved. The way this game plays these guys get down to 3 or 4 big blinds before shoving. I don't think I would have gotten any action with my queens, especially in an early position where I think only hands that would have me crushed (KK or AA ) would call me here. I expected cut off to shove with anything decent down to his meager holdings but I did not expect two callers. I shoved after the flop on a pretty dry board hoping to get the blinds out unless they were on spade draws. I would not expect two pretty tight players to call with a middle or low pair. They both had dumb luck spiking the boats and trips on the turn and river. Can you run the math on your app Anthony? Even three or four ways, I thought in the moment that I was a pretty significant favorite here after that flop. I thought I was really unlucky here.

 

[Anthony Martino]

This is my thought process with each hand:

Hand #1 I look down at a good but not great hand. I flatted to get a sense of what HJ would do post flop. If I shove and he calls I'm a definite dog to a pocket pair or AK. I'm folding to any bet post flop. HJ checking back tells me that he's slow playing a monster like KK or AA or went in with suited connectors or a hand very similar to mine like AQ, AJ, A10, or even K10 or KJ suited like me and didn't hit on the flop. I checked after I hit my king to see if he had one too. Villain is a player that would have tried to buy it right here on the turn to get me out if he had it. I would have folded to a HJ shove here or on the river. I bet modestly on the river to see if he would go over the top to see if he hit a draw or not with the 4 coming out. Unfortunately cut off did and it does not seem HJ did since he folded to my modest bet. I put HJ on Ax suited here.

Hand #2 with my queens I did not shove right away to try and get some action. I think if I was below 10 BB's I would have shoved. The way this game plays these guys get down to 3 or 4 big blinds before shoving. I don't think I would have gotten any action with my queens, especially in an early position where I think only hands that would have me crushed (KK or AA ) would call me here. I expected cut off to shove with anything decent down to his meager holdings but I did not expect two callers. I shoved after the flop on a pretty dry board hoping to get the blinds out unless they were on spade draws. I would not expect two pretty tight players to call with a middle or low pair. They both had dumb luck spiking the boats and trips on the turn and river. Can you run the math on your app Anthony? Even three or four ways, I thought in the moment that I was a pretty significant favorite here after that flop. I thought I was really unlucky here.

You can use the poker tools at CardPlayer.com to see hand equities for hold em, omaha, etc

Also, just because other players wait until they are 3-4 bb's before shoving pre doesn't make it a correct strategy

By then you lose fold equity znd have to win showdowns with your shoves

 

[JMC9389]

You can use the poker tools at CardPlayer.com to see hand equities for hold em, omaha, etc

Also, just because other players wait until they are 3-4 bb's before shoving pre doesn't make it a correct strategy

By then you lose fold equity znd have to win showdowns with your shoves

For sure. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do either, but it's what I observe.

I tend to shove way sooner than the others do. I think in a vacuum, like if I was playing with you, at @Irish 's place, or at a PCF meetup, I'm getting it in here with queens, but in the context of the game and how it plays, let's just say I'd be surprised if I had two callers pre-flop with that wager.

 

[Anthony Martino]

For sure. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do either, but it's what I observe.

I tend to shove way sooner than the others do. I think in a vacuum, like if I was playing with you, at @Irish 's place, or at a PCF meetup, I'm getting it in here with queens, but in the context of the game and how it plays, let's just say I'd be surprised if I had two callers pre-flop with that wager.

The thing is that stack sizes seem pretty shallow at this point. It's all well and good to get action, but it doesn't hurt to pickup valuable blinds at that stage without risk (because your opponents aren't being priced in to call your shove) and watch them dwindle to the point where their stack sizes are so insignificant because as Doyle says, they're going out like Broomcorns Uncle.

 

[JMC9389]

And yes, I ran it through the odds calculator, and I'm a 63% favorite pre-flop even four ways, and still a 46% favorite with that flop. I got boned.

 

[Anthony Martino]

And yes, I ran it through the odds calculator, and I'm a 63% favorite pre-flop even four ways, and still a 46% favorite with that flop. I got boned.

Sometimes in our efforts to trap others we ............bone ourselves (in b4 out of context thread!)

YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

 

[JMC9389]

Going to bump this.

Seems like I've been running into some really cold decks lately. Had a bad October and a very bad November thus far. Even when I get hands, it seems like the other player(s) are getting there every single time.

Last night alone:
Pick up queens in early position, I raise, three callers. Flop A K X. I check, a lead out and a call before it gets back to me. I Fold.

KQ suited on the button. Raise, one caller. Flop Q J x two clubs (not my suit). I lead, call. Turn is a blank. I check, opponent checks. River is another queen but also brings in a potential club flush. I bet big. Villain tanks for about a minute but eventually calls. He turns over AQ. FFFFFUUUUUUU.

This hand set me over the edge last night. I have Q9 of clubs on the button. One limper to me, I raise to 3 BB's. SB and initial limper call.
Flop comes Q 8 7 two clubs. Top pair and a decent flush draw. BB leads, limper folds, I call. Turn comes another 7. BB bets and sizes up, I call. River comes an 8. BB bets 3/4 pot. I'm shake my head and call thinking he's trying to buy it with a worse queen. He flips over A8 with the ace of clubs and half of my stack is gone to put me on life support. Ended up first out after 33 loses to A7 suited. I don't think I've won a flip in three tournaments in a row now.

I committed to hosting a cash game in two weeks, but after that, I think I'm taking a break until the new year. I'm feeling myself starting to get misreggy. Neither me nor the opponents particularly have played any of those hands poorly or like donkeys. I'm either getting coolered or not getting there when I need to and they're getting there when I'm ahead. I'm just not enjoying it. I should just be happy that I had a full table last night and that I was getting my favorite non custom tournament set and some really nice cards into play, but I wasn't. I was pissed off the rest of the night.

 

[Seeking Alpha Social Club]

Going to bump this.

Seems like I've been running into some really cold decks lately. Had a bad October and a very bad November thus far. Even when I get hands, it seems like the other player(s) are getting there every single time.

Last night alone:
Pick up queens in early position, I raise, three callers. Flop A K X. I check, a lead out and a call before it gets back to me. I Fold.

KQ suited on the button. Raise, one caller. Flop Q J x two clubs (not my suit). I lead, call. Turn is a blank. I check, opponent checks. River is another queen but also brings in a potential club flush. I bet big. Villain tanks for about a minute but eventually calls. He turns over AQ. FFFFFUUUUUUU.

This hand set me over the edge last night. I have Q9 of clubs on the button. One limper to me, I raise to 3 BB's. SB and initial limper call.
Flop comes Q 8 7 two clubs. Top pair and a decent flush draw. BB leads, limper folds, I call. Turn comes another 7. BB bets and sizes up, I call. River comes an 8. BB bets 3/4 pot. I'm shake my head and call thinking he's trying to buy it with a worse queen. He flips over A8 with the ace of clubs and half of my stack is gone to put me on life support. Ended up first out after 33 loses to A7 suited. I don't think I've won a flip in three tournaments in a row now.

I committed to hosting a cash game in two weeks, but after that, I think I'm taking a break until the new year. I'm feeling myself starting to get misreggy. Neither me nor the opponents particularly have played any of those hands poorly or like donkeys. I'm either getting coolered or not getting there when I need to and they're getting there when I'm ahead. I'm just not enjoying it. I should just be happy that I had a full table last night and that I was getting my favorite non custom tournament set and some really nice cards into play, but I wasn't. I was pissed off the rest of the night.

I feel your pain my friend!! Played $1/$1 friday and left after an hour and a half. Got run down on the river about 10 times and said F it....going home. The final straw was a $110 call into a $200 pot. Dumb ass thought he was ahead with 1 pair (not even top pair) and called. I flopped a set. He runner runnered a straight.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Ooch! I'm currently editing a vlog from last months session where I got DESTROYED in a game where they were straddling to 80, 160, 320. Reliving the pain is never fun

 

[JMC9389]

I feel your pain my friend!! Played $1/$1 friday and left after an hour and a half. Got run down on the river about 10 times and said F it....going home. The final straw was a $110 call into a $200 pot. Dumb ass thought he was ahead with 1 pair (not even top pair) and called. I flopped a set. He runner runnered a straight.

That's what makes you a great player, though. Not everyone has the discipline to walk away if things aren't breaking their way. If I got sucked out on when I was ahead going into the river 10 times in under two hours, I'd be so disgusted that I'd probably leave or deal the rest of the night too.

I dealt for the guys the rest of the night last night until one of the other guys that busted out offered to play some heads up circus, but I was very quiet. Most of them were enjoying seeing the steam coming out of my ears last night as it happens only seldomly. As it was put earlier in this thread, individual hands especially coolered ones don't bother me too much. It's the runs of three or more consecutive sessions of bad luck and bad runouts that get to me.

 

[allforcharity]

Sometimes you won't make a mistake all night and still lose. Luck beats skill, which is why they call it luck.

 

[doublebooyah85]

Going to bump this.

Seems like I've been running into some really cold decks lately. Had a bad October and a very bad November thus far. Even when I get hands, it seems like the other player(s) are getting there every single time.

Last night alone:
Pick up queens in early position, I raise, three callers. Flop A K X. I check, a lead out and a call before it gets back to me. I Fold.

KQ suited on the button. Raise, one caller. Flop Q J x two clubs (not my suit). I lead, call. Turn is a blank. I check, opponent checks. River is another queen but also brings in a potential club flush. I bet big. Villain tanks for about a minute but eventually calls. He turns over AQ. FFFFFUUUUUUU.

This hand set me over the edge last night. I have Q9 of clubs on the button. One limper to me, I raise to 3 BB's. SB and initial limper call.
Flop comes Q 8 7 two clubs. Top pair and a decent flush draw. BB leads, limper folds, I call. Turn comes another 7. BB bets and sizes up, I call. River comes an 8. BB bets 3/4 pot. I'm shake my head and call thinking he's trying to buy it with a worse queen. He flips over A8 with the ace of clubs and half of my stack is gone to put me on life support. Ended up first out after 33 loses to A7 suited. I don't think I've won a flip in three tournaments in a row now.

I committed to hosting a cash game in two weeks, but after that, I think I'm taking a break until the new year. I'm feeling myself starting to get misreggy. Neither me nor the opponents particularly have played any of those hands poorly or like donkeys. I'm either getting coolered or not getting there when I need to and they're getting there when I'm ahead. I'm just not enjoying it. I should just be happy that I had a full table last night and that I was getting my favorite non custom tournament set and some really nice cards into play, but I wasn't. I was pissed off the rest of the night.

Def need a break! Been there. Come back refreshed and excited. But again, great to be back on the felt! Only a year ago getting together was difficult if not impossible!

 

[Schmendr1ck]

I feel your pain my friend!! Played $1/$1 friday and left after an hour and a half. Got run down on the river about 10 times and said F it....going home. The final straw was a $110 call into a $200 pot. Dumb ass thought he was ahead with 1 pair (not even top pair) and called. I flopped a set. He runner runnered a straight.

I play in a fun, soft weekly game which is .25/.50 NLHE $60 max. Over the last three sessions, I'm down about ten buy-ins. It's a downswing, been there before, and I'm playing mostly fine, having fun, and still up a good bit in this game so no big deal.

However, there was one hand last week that made me consider going home early. We'd had our first tourney, and on the bubble I missed all the flops and went from #2 stack to busto. Mildly annoying, but I shook it off and took a seat at the cash game.

Almost immediately, I saw a multiway flop with 76 from the blinds, and it came 977r. EP player who had min-raised pre led out after my check, MP calls, and I raise. EP snap-shoves, MP folds, and I call. We table, and EP shows KQo, I shit you not. I thought for sure he had an overpair.

Turn T, river J, and he scoops a $130 pot after putting in his stack with 5% equity.

 

[Seeking Alpha Social Club]

I play in a fun, soft weekly game which is .25/.50 NLHE $60 max. Over the last three sessions, I'm down about ten buy-ins. It's a downswing, been there before, and I'm playing mostly fine, having fun, and still up a good bit in this game so no big deal.

However, there was one hand last week that made me consider going home early. We'd had our first tourney, and on the bubble I missed all the flops and went from #2 stack to busto. Mildly annoying, but I shook it off and took a seat at the cash game.

Almost immediately, I saw a multiway flop with 76 from the blinds, and it came 977r. EP player who had min-raised pre led out after my check, MP calls, and I raise. EP snap-shoves, MP folds, and I call. We table, and EP shows KQo, I shit you not. I thought for sure he had an overpair.

Turn T, river J, and he scoops a $130 pot after putting in his stack with 5% equity.

Damn...your idiot didn't even have a pair.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I play in a fun, soft weekly game which is .25/.50 NLHE $60 max. Over the last three sessions, I'm down about ten buy-ins. It's a downswing, been there before, and I'm playing mostly fine, having fun, and still up a good bit in this game so no big deal.

However, there was one hand last week that made me consider going home early. We'd had our first tourney, and on the bubble I missed all the flops and went from #2 stack to busto. Mildly annoying, but I shook it off and took a seat at the cash game.

Almost immediately, I saw a multiway flop with 76 from the blinds, and it came 977r. EP player who had min-raised pre led out after my check, MP calls, and I raise. EP snap-shoves, MP folds, and I call. We table, and EP shows KQo, I shit you not. I thought for sure he had an overpair.

Turn T, river J, and he scoops a $130 pot after putting in his stack with 5% equity.

SUCKA DEALA!