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Recent events have me thinking about YOLO'ing and retiring out of the US. Initial research tells me that Malaysia, Portugal, Costa Rica, and Thailand are viable options for me to retire today and live off $100k/yr until we draw SS. I'm willing to work a bit if needed, but conservative calculations tell me that $90-$100k is a safe assumption.

Do we have any ExPats on the forum that could shed some light on your experiences?
 
I'm currently leaning Costa Rica or Portugal as I've visited Costa Rica and Europe several times.

I'm concerned with the climate of APAC countries. I turn into a diva if I'm hot. So climate would be a strong contributing factor.
 
I moved from Canada to Switzerland 12 years ago and haven’t looked back since.

All-in-all it’s been an extremely positive experience in terms of having the opportunity to experience and learn from another culture and way of life. I’d recommend everyone spend some time living abroad if they have the chance.
 
I moved from Canada to Switzerland 12 years ago and haven’t looked back since.

All-in-all it’s been an extremely positive experience in terms of having the opportunity to experience and learn from another culture and way of life. I’d recommend everyone spend some time living abroad if they have the chance.
What has your experience been? Are you still a Canadian citizen? Do you have to pay taxes in both countries? Do you work locally or are you retired?
 
Still Canadian (and hold a Swiss passport now since 7 years or so). Canada is set up differently in that expats can de-register their residency and have no tax liability in Canada (with some conditions) so I only pay Swiss income tax.

Working here locally. I’m in my early 40s, so still have some time to go until I see retirement.

My wife is Swiss, so when I moved here, I assumed it would be for an extended period of time. I focused on learning the local language (German) as quickly as possible, which really helped with integrating. Was a lot of work, and not always fun, but well worth it in the end.
 
Is $90-100k not enough for you in the US? You can consider moving to a lower cost of living city in the country.

Also, if you don’t like the heat, you won’t enjoy Southeast Asia
 
A meetup in Spain/Portugal sure would be easy to attend (for me)! :wtf:

Northern Spain (Catalunya) is one of our absolute favourite areas to spend time. Definitely not cool in the summer though.
 
This is my chat gtp summary on Portugal.

Portugal could be an excellent retirement destination for you, especially given its climate, cost of living, and progressive social environment. Here’s a comprehensive look at what you can expect from living in Portugal:

### 1. **Climate**
- **Mild, Mediterranean Climate**: Portugal’s climate is one of its biggest draws. The country enjoys a Mediterranean climate with hot, dry summers and mild, wet winters. However, the coastal areas, particularly in the Algarve, Lisbon, and Porto, are moderated by the Atlantic Ocean, which keeps temperatures comfortable.
- **Summer Temperatures**: In coastal areas, summer highs typically range from 75°F to 85°F (24-29°C), with much cooler nights around 60°F to 65°F (15-18°C), offering a pleasant break from the heat.
- **Winter Temperatures**: Winters are mild, especially in the Algarve, with average highs around 55-65°F (13-18°C). In northern regions and inland, winter can be cooler, though it rarely gets as cold as Northern Europe or North America.
- **Air Quality**: Portugal benefits from good air quality, especially in less industrialized regions, making it a healthy environment.

### 2. **Cost of Living**
- **Affordable Housing**: Renting a comfortable apartment or small house in popular areas costs around $1,200 - $2,500 per month, depending on location and amenities. Prices in Lisbon are higher, while the Algarve and smaller cities are more affordable.
- **Utilities and Internet**: Utilities (electricity, water) cost around $150 - $200 per month, while high-speed internet and phone plans add another $50 - $100.
- **Healthcare**: Portugal has an excellent public healthcare system. Expats can access it affordably after becoming residents, and private health insurance ranges from $1,500 to $3,000 per person annually.
- **Groceries and Dining**: Groceries are reasonably priced, especially fresh produce, and eating out is affordable. A meal at a mid-range restaurant is around $10 - $20 per person, while local markets offer fresh, inexpensive ingredients.
- **Entertainment and Leisure**: Portugal is home to beautiful beaches, national parks, historic sites, and a thriving wine and food scene, all accessible on a moderate budget.

### 3. **Social Environment**
- **Progressive Social Policies**: Portugal is socially progressive, with strong protections for LGBTQ+ rights, decriminalized drug use, and universal healthcare. It is one of the more liberal European countries and is known for its tolerance and inclusiveness.
- **English-Speaking Community**: English is widely spoken, especially in larger cities and tourist areas, making it easier for expats to integrate.
- **Friendly Atmosphere**: Portuguese people are known for their hospitality and are generally welcoming toward foreigners. The country has a growing expat community, especially in cities like Lisbon and regions like the Algarve, so you’ll find it easy to connect with other retirees or expats.

### 4. **Residency and Tax Considerations**
- **Visa Options**: Portugal’s **D7 Visa** is a popular choice for retirees, allowing non-EU citizens to live in Portugal with proof of income. This visa is renewable and leads to permanent residency after five years, with the option of applying for citizenship.
- **Non-Habitual Residency (NHR) Program**: This program offers tax benefits to foreign residents, such as tax exemptions on foreign income for up to 10 years or reduced rates for specific professions.
- **Affordable Taxes on Foreign Income**: Under the NHR program, foreign pension income can be taxed at a flat 10% rate, and there may be exemptions on some foreign income sources.

### 5. **Healthcare**
- **High-Quality, Affordable Care**: Portugal’s healthcare system ranks well in Europe, and expats can access the public healthcare system at low costs. Private healthcare is also affordable, and many expats choose private insurance for faster access to care.
- **Medical Facilities**: Portugal’s healthcare facilities are modern, with skilled medical professionals, and the larger cities have hospitals with English-speaking staff.

### 6. **Lifestyle and Cultural Richness**
- **Rich History and Culture**: Portugal is known for its beautiful architecture, historic towns, and UNESCO World Heritage Sites. Cities like Lisbon, Porto, and Sintra offer endless cultural experiences, from historic sites to modern art scenes.
- **Outdoor and Leisure Activities**: Portugal’s natural landscape includes stunning coastlines, mountainous regions, vineyards, and national parks. Hiking, golfing, surfing, and wine tasting are popular activities, and the Algarve is a golfer’s paradise.
- **Cuisine and Wine**: Portuguese cuisine is varied, with fresh seafood, meats, cheeses, and pastries like the famous pastéis de nata. Portugal is also known for its wines, particularly port wine from the Douro Valley.
- **Relaxed Pace of Life**: The lifestyle in Portugal is generally relaxed, with a focus on enjoying life. The Portuguese value family time, socializing, and long meals, making it a good fit for someone looking for a slower pace of life.

### 7. **Safety and Stability**
- **Safety**: Portugal is one of the safest countries in the world, with low crime rates and a stable political environment.
- **Quality of Life**: Portugal consistently ranks high in quality of life for expats, offering a great balance of safety, healthcare, cost of living, and lifestyle options.

### 8. **Travel and Location**
- **Proximity to Europe**: Portugal’s location makes it easy to travel around Europe and Northern Africa, with direct flights to major European cities.
- **Access to U.S. and Other Regions**: Lisbon and Porto are well-connected with direct flights to North America, so visiting family or friends in the U.S. is straightforward.
- **Within Portugal**: The country has good public transportation, and it’s easy to drive between major cities and regions, which allows you to explore the country without needing to fly.

### Summary: Is Portugal the Right Choice?
For someone who values a progressive social environment, mild climate, access to quality healthcare, and affordability, Portugal is a fantastic choice. It provides a comfortable, culturally rich lifestyle without the extreme summer heat. The NHR tax program makes it financially attractive, and the D7 visa makes residency accessible for non-EU retirees.

Portugal combines all the elements for a fulfilling, enjoyable retirement, with a balance of relaxation, culture, and opportunities for travel. If you want to avoid intense heat, enjoy a coastal Mediterranean climate, and live in a socially progressive environment, Portugal is a top-tier option.
 
I think Portugal just revoked their easy residency button. We had been looking at that as a future retirement spot.
 
Be careful of places that are prone to hurricanes and storms. Honest answer, that thought would completely rule out certain areas for me. They will continue to strengthen and come more often. I dont want the peace of retirement interrupted a few times a year.
 
PM me if you're serious Craig. I can pass along any questions about the nitty gritty of living in Portugal.

Wine is cheaper than Coca Cola there. Just saying.
 
This is my chat gtp summary on Portugal.

Portugal could be an excellent retirement destination for you, especially given its climate, cost of living, and progressive social environment. Here’s a comprehensive look at what you can expect from living in Portugal:

### 1. **Climate**
- **Mild, Mediterranean Climate**: Portugal’s climate is one of its biggest draws. The country enjoys a Mediterranean climate with hot, dry summers and mild, wet winters. However, the coastal areas, particularly in the Algarve, Lisbon, and Porto, are moderated by the Atlantic Ocean, which keeps temperatures comfortable.
- **Summer Temperatures**: In coastal areas, summer highs typically range from 75°F to 85°F (24-29°C), with much cooler nights around 60°F to 65°F (15-18°C), offering a pleasant break from the heat.
- **Winter Temperatures**: Winters are mild, especially in the Algarve, with average highs around 55-65°F (13-18°C). In northern regions and inland, winter can be cooler, though it rarely gets as cold as Northern Europe or North America.
- **Air Quality**: Portugal benefits from good air quality, especially in less industrialized regions, making it a healthy environment.

### 2. **Cost of Living**
- **Affordable Housing**: Renting a comfortable apartment or small house in popular areas costs around $1,200 - $2,500 per month, depending on location and amenities. Prices in Lisbon are higher, while the Algarve and smaller cities are more affordable.
- **Utilities and Internet**: Utilities (electricity, water) cost around $150 - $200 per month, while high-speed internet and phone plans add another $50 - $100.
- **Healthcare**: Portugal has an excellent public healthcare system. Expats can access it affordably after becoming residents, and private health insurance ranges from $1,500 to $3,000 per person annually.
- **Groceries and Dining**: Groceries are reasonably priced, especially fresh produce, and eating out is affordable. A meal at a mid-range restaurant is around $10 - $20 per person, while local markets offer fresh, inexpensive ingredients.
- **Entertainment and Leisure**: Portugal is home to beautiful beaches, national parks, historic sites, and a thriving wine and food scene, all accessible on a moderate budget.

### 3. **Social Environment**
- **Progressive Social Policies**: Portugal is socially progressive, with strong protections for LGBTQ+ rights, decriminalized drug use, and universal healthcare. It is one of the more liberal European countries and is known for its tolerance and inclusiveness.
- **English-Speaking Community**: English is widely spoken, especially in larger cities and tourist areas, making it easier for expats to integrate.
- **Friendly Atmosphere**: Portuguese people are known for their hospitality and are generally welcoming toward foreigners. The country has a growing expat community, especially in cities like Lisbon and regions like the Algarve, so you’ll find it easy to connect with other retirees or expats.

### 4. **Residency and Tax Considerations**
- **Visa Options**: Portugal’s **D7 Visa** is a popular choice for retirees, allowing non-EU citizens to live in Portugal with proof of income. This visa is renewable and leads to permanent residency after five years, with the option of applying for citizenship.
- **Non-Habitual Residency (NHR) Program**: This program offers tax benefits to foreign residents, such as tax exemptions on foreign income for up to 10 years or reduced rates for specific professions.
- **Affordable Taxes on Foreign Income**: Under the NHR program, foreign pension income can be taxed at a flat 10% rate, and there may be exemptions on some foreign income sources.

### 5. **Healthcare**
- **High-Quality, Affordable Care**: Portugal’s healthcare system ranks well in Europe, and expats can access the public healthcare system at low costs. Private healthcare is also affordable, and many expats choose private insurance for faster access to care.
- **Medical Facilities**: Portugal’s healthcare facilities are modern, with skilled medical professionals, and the larger cities have hospitals with English-speaking staff.

### 6. **Lifestyle and Cultural Richness**
- **Rich History and Culture**: Portugal is known for its beautiful architecture, historic towns, and UNESCO World Heritage Sites. Cities like Lisbon, Porto, and Sintra offer endless cultural experiences, from historic sites to modern art scenes.
- **Outdoor and Leisure Activities**: Portugal’s natural landscape includes stunning coastlines, mountainous regions, vineyards, and national parks. Hiking, golfing, surfing, and wine tasting are popular activities, and the Algarve is a golfer’s paradise.
- **Cuisine and Wine**: Portuguese cuisine is varied, with fresh seafood, meats, cheeses, and pastries like the famous pastéis de nata. Portugal is also known for its wines, particularly port wine from the Douro Valley.
- **Relaxed Pace of Life**: The lifestyle in Portugal is generally relaxed, with a focus on enjoying life. The Portuguese value family time, socializing, and long meals, making it a good fit for someone looking for a slower pace of life.

### 7. **Safety and Stability**
- **Safety**: Portugal is one of the safest countries in the world, with low crime rates and a stable political environment.
- **Quality of Life**: Portugal consistently ranks high in quality of life for expats, offering a great balance of safety, healthcare, cost of living, and lifestyle options.

### 8. **Travel and Location**
- **Proximity to Europe**: Portugal’s location makes it easy to travel around Europe and Northern Africa, with direct flights to major European cities.
- **Access to U.S. and Other Regions**: Lisbon and Porto are well-connected with direct flights to North America, so visiting family or friends in the U.S. is straightforward.
- **Within Portugal**: The country has good public transportation, and it’s easy to drive between major cities and regions, which allows you to explore the country without needing to fly.

### Summary: Is Portugal the Right Choice?
For someone who values a progressive social environment, mild climate, access to quality healthcare, and affordability, Portugal is a fantastic choice. It provides a comfortable, culturally rich lifestyle without the extreme summer heat. The NHR tax program makes it financially attractive, and the D7 visa makes residency accessible for non-EU retirees.

Portugal combines all the elements for a fulfilling, enjoyable retirement, with a balance of relaxation, culture, and opportunities for travel. If you want to avoid intense heat, enjoy a coastal Mediterranean climate, and live in a socially progressive environment, Portugal is a top-tier option.
That’s a pretty good sell!
 
I focused on learning the local language (German) as quickly as possible, which really helped with integrating. Was a lot of work, and not always fun, but well worth it in the end.
Totally random question. If you are writing something down ( grocery list for example ) what language do you use?

Reason I ask was that I once had a coworker from Lithuania and he told me he could borrow his notes from a meeting and was surprised they were in English. He told me that when in America he does everything in English except for communicate with family. He showed me a book he was reading and that was English too. Said that helps him not lose his English proficiency. Just found that to be an interesting tidbit I never thought of.
 
Is $90-100k not enough for you in the US? You can consider moving to a lower cost of living city in the country.

Also, if you don’t like the heat, you won’t enjoy Southeast Asia
100k is not enough the way this man plays poker..
 
Totally random question. If you are writing something down ( grocery list for example ) what language do you use?

Reason I ask was that I once had a coworker from Lithuania and he told me he could borrow his notes from a meeting and was surprised they were in English. He told me that when in America he does everything in English except for communicate with family. He showed me a book he was reading and that was English too. Said that helps him not lose his English proficiency. Just found that to be an interesting tidbit I never thought of.
The best way to learn and really adopt a new language is to fully engulf in it. That way your mind just understands the words vs trying to translate them in your mind as you say, think or read it. Writing the notes in the local language makes a lot of sense. The more you practice it, the better you learn and it becomes automatic eventually.
 

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