Exposed hand flopped overfull - villian representing quads. WWYD? (1 Viewer)

[Moxie Mike]

*If* I have quads on the button, I'm not shoving into a dry sidepot, I'm trying to get more from hero.

Edit:. I guess the BBJ makes the shive a free roll for button if he's holding 66. But then, I don't really want to scare off a caller, so shoving is still weird.

I think I find a call here too... For all the reasons everyone has already discussed. But this isn't an easy call with a $900 stack.

 

[Dr. Matt]

I know we have the spoiler now, but for the sake of getting opinions from the much more experienced poker players here...So if button had merely raised, how does that affect hero’s decision or thought process? Do you find a fold easier there expecting he’s value betting or still end up calling?

 

[Moxie Mike]

I know we have the spoiler now, but for the sake of getting opinions from the much more experienced poker players here...So if button had merely raised, how does that affect hero’s decision or thought process? Do you find a fold easier there expecting he’s value betting or still end up calling?

Great question. Honestly, I might find a fold if the button puts in a structured raise... Like say $225. I'd probably think to myself that I'm going to see a $300 bet on the turn and a shove for the rest on the river. It's one thing to grit your teeth and call all in on the flop... It's another to call 3 reasonable bets knowing your holding has been exposed.

 

[BGinGA]

I'm still calling, and laughing hysterically if a queen shows up on the turn.

 

[cwebb]

Button never ever just raises. Any raise announces the same as allin.

 

[Mr Tree]

Button never ever just raises. Any raise announces the same as allin.

This. A smaller raise doesn’t make it any less likely to be them making a play. It just means they are trying to keep something behind most of the time. Any decision by hero to continue is a decision to play for stacks at this point.

 

[Mr Tree]

Two IMO important notes here.

One in the alt scenario where you are just raised above an important distinction is while I would call you NEVER jam in this spot. A jam just folds out all hands like A6 and gets called by 66. You have to call and give lesser hands a chance to fire the river bluff so you can be paid off by them.

Two, after the whole table has seen hero fold the second nuts here hero now needs to cash it in and get up. If the table is worth their salt at all they are going to put hero to the test on every single hand for the rest of the night.

 

[JustinInMN]

Before reading the spoiler queens full does not qualify for the bad beat jackpot. But the times you are against quads, you are 44:1 + 43:1 to catch the last queen. So of the "winner share" is 21x ish the price of the call you have direct odds to go for it.

 

[WedgeRock]

queens full does not qualify for the bad beat jackpot.

If button had quads, he was free-rolling because his hand qualifies for the BBJ. He either wins the hand and stacks hero, or he hits the BBJ (the losers share is generally 50%).

Which is exactly why an isolation shove holding 66 makes no sense. It eliminates the possibility of any money in the side pot, and it eliminates the possibility of hitting the BBJ (at least through hero).

 

[Rhodeman77]

Quad 66’s should never take a line that would possibly get Q’s full to fold. Hell if I was sitting there I’d act like I had no idea he exposed his hand! Flat call and see if Q’s full bet the turn and if not I’d check back. Why take a chance at losing a possible BB jackpot?


Another question that needs to be asked is if by showing his hand and if a BBJ would have happened, would that have been a reason for the hand to be disqualified from actually winning it?

 

[Moxie Mike]

If button had quads, he was free-rolling because his hand qualifies for the BBJ. He either wins the hand and stacks hero, or he hits the BBJ (the losers share is generally 50%).

Which is exactly why an isolation shove holding 66 makes no sense. It eliminates the possibility of any money in the side pot, and it eliminates the possibility of hitting the BBJ (at least through hero).

All reasons why I think I I could find a call in Hero's spot. But it is tough to call 450 BBs off (well 375ish now).

Another question that needs to be asked is if by showing his hand and if a BBJ would have happened, would that have been a reason for the hand to be disqualified from actually winning it?

Good question - I don't know the answer but I surmise that the casino's collusion rule may apply here.

One last post-script... the conversation with the button Friday night was triggered by a bad read by me... I was in the BB with and checked my option after four limpers.

Flop comes . I checked, and a disinterested table checked around to a lady in position, who bet $25 into an $11 pot, leaving her with about $125 behind.

I've played with this lady numerous times... her bet sizing is directly proportional to the strength of her hand. Without fail. Big bets = big hands. Always. I am never wrong about this.

I figure she's got the in her hand. I KNOW she has the in her hand. I also KNOW no one else at the table will call $25 in this spot. So I set her in.

She quickly mucks face up. Oops. Guess I was wrong on that one

I playfully tabled my hand as I dragged my modest pot, and a discussion on big laydowns ensued.

(I know I screwed this one up - no lengthy discussion needed )

 

[Cackalacka Slim]

Weird hand. The representation of 66 just doesn't seem credible to me, so I'm pretty surprised it induced a fold. If you're sitting on quads and Hero has merely called the BB all in, he's got more money and there's still two more betting streets to extract value if you actually have the case. Hero might even make him pay for the two last cards, so you could be sitting with quads with someone betting into you.