Finally going to buy Paulson's... where to begin? (1 Viewer)

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Hi there PCFers -- I've been following and reading up for the last year or so on this site and am finally breaking into chipping and this community. I loved poker throughout high school -- how I put gas in my car -- but took a hiatus until about a year ago when I began running a home game at my apartment. I currently play with a china clay set, but am now looking to finally get a real set. I initially thought about building a CPC set (a testament to my favorite IPAs, a Ballast Point beer theme, which I still intend to someday do when I have more time to think through the multiple inlays and which beers to use as inspiration), however I've decided to start both collecting off the run chips that I have come to love (i.e. Le Cove) now, and put together a cash and tourney set. I would be curious to get the groups opinion on how feasible it would be to build a Le Cove tourney set vs. the Pharaoh tourney set (I've seen a few tourney sets available recently, but I don't know how "one off" these are). The impetus for this post came after I watched a set of $10 Le Coves slip out of my fingers for <$2/chip last night on eBay (still being new to this, I guess I got cold feet). My current thinking is to buy a cash and tourney Pharaoh set and begin to buy Le Coves and others when they come available.

Curious to get your thoughts... if you were a brand new chipper today, what would you be most excited about and why?

Thanks!
 
I started a mix set first, used Motor City Quarters, PCA Secondary $1's, Empress $5's, and Aztar $25's... worked great until the Horseshoe Cleveland sale and then I got to make a full set :)
 
You have good taste!

The Le Cove's are beautiful, but exceedingly rare and command high prices ($4-$5 per chip) when they do come up for sale. It's a great chip, but I am just trying to set your expectations on availability. The Le Cove's may be more of a long term collecting goal, then something you'll snap up as a playable set overnight.

The Pharoah's are more abundant, and can be found in playable sets here on this site, eBay, LetGo, and other online sites from time to time.

I'd also keep an eye on The Chip Room sales. He scores great sets now and then, and brings great prices to PCF members.

Best of luck on the hunt!
 
If I were buying my first paulson set I would go with some kind of an old-school type thc solids set. Near mint chips can usually be had at a pretty good price. Less than a dollar a chip sometimes. You are not going to beat the quality and feel of those old-school thc paulsons.

If you have to have edge spots I would go with some kind of a mixed casino set or a full casino set.

I would probably skip the pharaohs because I don't really like the house mold. Just a personal preference I guess.

The le cove chips are nice though and are thc mold is the best in my opinion.

Welcome to the forum and good luck buying chips.

Be patient (it seems you have been) and you will find some good deals
 
I am new to chipping and what seemed most exciting to me was building a mixed casino set. This allows you to pick and choose the chips that appeal the most to you, and build a unique set that can continually evolve. It gives you the freedom to have a lot of fun with the hobby because you can buy racks ala carte and the entire chipping world is your buffet. And you don’t find yourself having to shell out $2,000 - $3,000 all at once for a full set.
I’ve never been drawn to the Paulson fantasy sets, so I can’t give you much advice on the Le Coves or the Pharohs, except to say that those chips don’t seem to come up for sale too often, so you’ll need to pay close attention and be ready to snap-buy.
Good luck.
 
Aztars from Indiana.... the foundation to any Paulson beginner set. Cheap, readily available, and they look nice (especially the 100s and the dark purple 500's). Even have oversized 1000s. (y) :thumbsup:

Now the Aztars from Missouri are even nicer (THC mold while the others are RHC) but are harder to find, and more expensive.... plus smaller denomination only, so they are really good just for a cash set.
 
Hi there PCFers -- I've been following and reading up for the last year or so on this site and am finally breaking into chipping and this community.

I currently play with a china clay set, but am now looking to finally get a real set.

My current thinking is to buy a cash and tourney Pharaoh set and begin to buy Le Coves and others when they come available.

Curious to get your thoughts... if you were a brand new chipper today, what would you be most excited about and why?
Pay no attention to any of the purchase advice offered thus far in this thread. Your first order of business is to determine exactly what meets your needs and expectations in regards to high-end chips, ~before~ you spend a bunch of money. To accomplish this, the beginning advice is simple: get samples.

The problem is that what excites me, very well may be off-putting to you..... and vice-versus. And the only way to tell what you personally like and dislike is to have actual chips in hand, so that you can evaluate not only how they look, but how they feel, how they sound, how they stack, how they handle during play, even how they smell. Note that I mentioned 'chips in hand' -- i.e. plural, because it is almost impossible to evaluate those characteristics based on just one or two chips. I recommend at least 8-10 of each type chip, so that you get a real-world idea of what's out there.

Not all high-end clay chips are the same. The manufacturer (and formula), the specific mold design, inlay composition, condition/age, and even sometimes colors can make a significant difference in the various chip characteristics.

Okay, so get samples. But specifically which ones? Well, if the Le Cove and Pharaoh's Club are two sets that have sparked your initial interest, I'd start with a barrel or half-barrel of each (10-20 chips of each type). Pay special attention to chip condition before buying, because those previously mentioned characteristics of worn Paulson chips (especially casino-worn) are much different than that of new or near-mint condition chips. Starting with those will provide you with two of the many variations of Paulson clay chips -- the THC (top hat & cane) mold, and the PAULSON CHIPS mold, both of which have been used in the past for Paulson home market chips. Both examples will have round, glossy laminated inlays.

Other Paulson casino and home market chip variations include the RHC (reverse hat & cane) mold, which is manufactured with several different inlay sizes (and inlay size makes a difference in the chip characteristics). Also available are home market chips produced on the card pips mold (also referred to as the suits mold), which usually have round, glossy laminated inlays, although there are card pips mold chips that have real shaped inlays (glossy lamination) or are hot-stamped with no inlays at all.

Older casino chips manufactured by Paulson prior to 2000 may have textured inlays, and in some cases, real shaped inlays. These older Paulson chips also used chip formulas containing large amounts of lead, which lends itself to different characteristics -- in general, they are heavier, softer, have a deeper sound, and handle differently than more recently produced chips.

Some people prefer the THC mold vs RHC or other house molds, some prefer real shaped inlays over round, some prefer textured vs glossy inlays, some prefer new chips vs used chips, and some prefer real casino chips vs home market chips -- and yet some people prefer exactly the opposite on one or more of those choices. The only way to determine what ~you~ prefer is to get samples, and enough different samples -- and an adequate amount of each type -- to make an educated comparison. Consider it cheap insurance that will help ensure that your subsequent large-dollar purchase is protected from disappointment. And don't worry, the cost of the samples can always be recovered by selling them to the next new chipper who comes along.

Get samples.
 
100% correct - the advice cannot be overstated - get samples first!
 
100% correct - the advice cannot be overstated - get samples first!

This. Also, the last part of what @BGinGA said is very important: although the cost of buying samples will add up very quickly, you can recover most of it by re-selling them back to PCF members.

The one thing you have to decide is how many different sample sets are ‘enough’ for you to make an educated decision. I spent what I thought at the time was a significant amount of money on ‘samples’, but still didn’t have enough, as my initial couple of Paulson sets I began to acquire were just meh.

The more sample sets you can buy, the better decision you can make on your first Paulson set. But that means different things to different peipke. Good luck and enjoy the journey.
 
Pay no attention to any of the purchase advice offered thus far in this thread. Your first order of business is to determine exactly what meets your needs and expectations in regards to high-end chips, ~before~ you spend a bunch of money. To accomplish this, the beginning advice is simple: get samples.

The problem is that what excites me, very well may be off-putting to you..... and vice-versus. And the only way to tell what you personally like and dislike is to have actual chips in hand, so that you can evaluate not only how they look, but how they feel, how they sound, how they stack, how they handle during play, even how they smell. Note that I mentioned 'chips in hand' -- i.e. plural, because it is almost impossible to evaluate those characteristics based on just one or two chips. I recommend at least 8-10 of each type chip, so that you get a real-world idea of what's out there.

Not all high-end clay chips are the same. The manufacturer (and formula), the specific mold design, inlay composition, condition/age, and even sometimes colors can make a significant difference in the various chip characteristics.

Okay, so get samples. But specifically which ones? Well, if the Le Cove and Pharaoh's Club are two sets that have sparked your initial interest, I'd start with a barrel or half-barrel of each (10-20 chips of each type). Pay special attention to chip condition before buying, because those previously mentioned characteristics of worn Paulson chips (especially casino-worn) are much different than that of new or near-mint condition chips. Starting with those will provide you with two of the many variations of Paulson clay chips -- the THC (top hat & cane) mold, and the PAULSON CHIPS mold, both of which have been used in the past for Paulson home market chips. Both examples will have round, glossy laminated inlays.

Other Paulson casino and home market chip variations include the RHC (reverse hat & cane) mold, which is manufactured with several different inlay sizes (and inlay size makes a difference in the chip characteristics). Also available are home market chips produced on the card pips mold (also referred to as the suits mold), which usually have round, glossy laminated inlays, although there are card pips mold chips that have real shaped inlays (glossy lamination) or are hot-stamped with no inlays at all.

Older casino chips manufactured by Paulson prior to 2000 may have textured inlays, and in some cases, real shaped inlays. These older Paulson chips also used chip formulas containing large amounts of lead, which lends itself to different characteristics -- in general, they are heavier, softer, have a deeper sound, and handle differently than more recently produced chips.

Some people prefer the THC mold vs RHC or other house molds, some prefer real shaped inlays over round, some prefer textured vs glossy inlays, some prefer new chips vs used chips, and some prefer real casino chips vs home market chips -- and yet some people prefer exactly the opposite on one or more of those choices. The only way to determine what ~you~ prefer is to get samples, and enough different samples -- and an adequate amount of each type -- to make an educated comparison. Consider it cheap insurance that will help ensure that your subsequent large-dollar purchase is protected from disappointment. And don't worry, the cost of the samples can always be recovered by selling them to the next new chipper who comes along.

Get samples.


Can this ^^^ be a sticky post somewhere.........???!!! ;) Sage advice
 
[applogies in advance for the iPhone bug impacting my response]

Thanks to everyone for all of the thoughtful advice. Reflecting on this and seeing first hand how hard it was to snatch UW’s Pharaohs, I’m keen to take BG’s feedback compiled with some of the earlier responses— some of these chips I’d never heard of and looked quite nice upon review!— and build a set slowly and first get samples. Something about this also makes the whole experience feel more worthwhile/interesting — a hunt as it may be. It’s funny, when I️ bought my first China clay set, I️ bought a bunch of samples. And now here I️ am seeming to have forgotten how helpful that was. Thank you all for the reminder and sage advice throughout!

One follow-up, when most of you were acquiring samples, was simply posting “wanted: sample x chips” or “wanted: barrel of y chips” or is it most efficient to just buy what you can based on classified postings and/or be occasional cost effective eBay buy?

My plan is to acquire 10 to a barrel of each type of Paulson mold & sized inlay, starting with some of the Paulson Home molds as that’s what has mostly piqued my interest. Had a hypothesis of what what I️ thought I’d like, but you never do know until they’re in hand. Plus it will be fun to have different types of chips in the collection and to be able to pass these back into the community down the road!

Thanks again all.
 
Realized I never posted an update to this. I ended up building a set of Pharaohs for tournaments and a mixed Nevada set for cash. The latter is still a work in progress (if you or someone you know would like to sell or trade some 25c THC fracs of the yellow/orange/grey/minty green family, you know where to find me!.. these will replace the $1 Palazzos that i initially had intended to relabel but changed my mind.) I bought a bunch of samples along the way... molds, minty vs. ok vs. super used chips, Paulson vs. TRK, old Paulson leaded vs. new materials, textured vs. glossy vs. papery inlays, real shaped vs. round inlay, etc.

I came away loving THC molds and house molds, textured inlays, old school leaded clay, real shaped inlays, etc.. Go figure right? Too bad for my wallet. Since the pharaohs got me into the hobby, I decided to still build a tournament set of those and I do enjoy it (I don't mind the Paulson Chips mold as much as some even though it is not my favorite, nor is the glossy inlay, but the colors and inlay design I still find gorgeous and the players at my game love them).

Oh, and on the Le Coves... haven't given up on that dream either. I've managed to find about 4 racks worth across 50c, $1s, $500s and 1ks, but that is a slower grind for sure and imagine will be a life-long process.

Here are a few photos. I need to clean them and will get better pics up at some point. Thanks to everyone who provided advice throughout and thanks to everyone who acted as a great transaction partner while accumulating these.

I've also got too many Pharaoh $5's and $100s from the group purchases I made so if anyone would like to buy or trade just let me know. Will be posting these with my sample barrels soon too.

**EDIT: I know, I know... the table :eek: that will be the next project



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<Jedi hand wave>
Those Colorado Belles don't go with your house mold set. Sell them to me.


:whistle: :whistling:

Anyhoo... will look forward to seeing pr0n of where it all ends up.
 
<Jedi hand wave>
Those Colorado Belles don't go with your house mold set. Sell them to me.


:whistle: :whistling:

Anyhoo... will look forward to seeing pr0n of where it all ends up.

Trade ya the Belle's for 2.5 racks of minty Sundance $1's ;)
 
Trade ya the Belle's for 2.5 racks of minty Sundance $1's ;)

That sounds pretty fair... PM on the way.












Just kidding... if I had two racks of mindy Sundance $1's I wouldn't be after your Colorado Belles. :LOL: :laugh:
 
Hi there PCFers -- I've been following and reading up for the last year or so on this site and am finally breaking into chipping and this community. I loved poker throughout high school -- how I put gas in my car -- but took a hiatus until about a year ago when I began running a home game at my apartment. I currently play with a china clay set, but am now looking to finally get a real set. I initially thought about building a CPC set (a testament to my favorite IPAs, a Ballast Point beer theme, which I still intend to someday do when I have more time to think through the multiple inlays and which beers to use as inspiration), however I've decided to start both collecting off the run chips that I have come to love (i.e. Le Cove) now, and put together a cash and tourney set. I would be curious to get the groups opinion on how feasible it would be to build a Le Cove tourney set vs. the Pharaoh tourney set (I've seen a few tourney sets available recently, but I don't know how "one off" these are). The impetus for this post came after I watched a set of $10 Le Coves slip out of my fingers for <$2/chip last night on eBay (still being new to this, I guess I got cold feet). My current thinking is to buy a cash and tourney Pharaoh set and begin to buy Le Coves and others when they come available.

Curious to get your thoughts... if you were a brand new chipper today, what would you be most excited about and why?

Thanks!

All the best in looking for Paulson chips.... I have the Isthmus, although rare, I see some denominations still being traded
 

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