Free markets and pharmaceuticals (1 Viewer)

DrStrange

4 of a Kind
Joined
Nov 9, 2014
Messages
5,786
Reaction score
12,117
Location
Outlet Mall in San Marcos
There is another situation regarding the pricing of pharmaceuticals that affects about three million Americans that is getting far too little attention in the press. The price of insulin is skyrocketing - $200 / year in 2002 up to $1,000 per year now. (adjusting $200 for 14 years inflation is about $300 in today's dollars.)

Insulin is an old drug, first discovered in 1921. While there have been significant advances over the last century, this isn't a drug with huge R&D costs nor one with expensive risks. The costs of manufacturing are small - little about the drug's recent history would imply the costs have changed dramatically.

It is not optional for a type I diabetic, you take the drug or die quickly. The product is almost 100% inelastic - meaning that people don't buy more when the price is low or buy less when the price is high. The amount sold is almost unchanged by changing prices.

Much of the costs are born by the public at large, they are built into the general costs of insurance. Drug makers have rebate systems to off-set co-pays which has the effect of keeping the pricing off the radar screen of law makers and the general public.

This is a perfect place for price collusion:
the customer has no choice but to buy the drug no matter how it is priced
the sellers have no benefit from price competition
the costs are dispersed throughout society, though this is changing with high deductible insurance plans.

The current result is the pharmaceutical industry is getting 5% of the life time income from diabetics selling them a medicine invented almost 100 years ago. Five percent of the life time income of three million people is a lot of money, and we are all footing the bill.

Why should you care? Well, you are about to get a bill for insurance in 2017. Medical insurance is going to be more expensive than it was in 2016. One of the biggest reasons why, perhaps the biggest reason is the rising cost of drug coverage.

The pharmaceutical industry has a captive customer base. You pay the price or die. The free market price of a life saving drug is everything you own plus everything you can borrow, so in some ways diabetics and the rest of us who need medicine are getting off cheap. I expect a diabetic would pay $20,000 a year for insulin maybe $30,000 if they had to. (the average personal income in the USA before taxes is $32,000)

All that is to say is that the price of insulin and thousands of other drugs are going to rise relentlessly. These increases aren't going to more R&D for new life saving drugs, they are going to marketing, executive pay and corporate profits. They are perhaps the biggest reason why Americans pay more per capita for medical care than any other nation on earth - noting that we are getting nothing of value in return paying ten time the price for the same drugs sold elsewhere in the industrial world.

We have been made into suckers and yet who are we mad at? Not the drug makers -=- DrStrange
 
The system is a train wreck. Start importing insulin from Canada at 100th the price.
 
I understand rates are up since way before Obama. I also understand that markets fluctuate. However, it is NOT linear. How has Obama care affected the bottom line? Reimbursement rates for providers??????????? Prices have skyrocketed and reimbursement rates have vastly diminished. Do you see a correlation? I know I do because EVERYTHING is rising faster than casino Paulson chips and gold since it happened (not quite as fast, but pretty fast though, lol) and it is not all the drug companies fault. That said, there are SO MANY MORE insured folks now. A lose-win situation? A lose-lose situation? Giving the greedy disgusting leaching medicaid bastards an all-you-can-eat-buffet to drugs? I don't care how you view it. I don't hate Obama care, nor Obama. There may be more factors at play my man. However, in the end; GREEN is the end game for insurance companies, businesses that sell pharmaceuticals retail, and drug companies alike. In fact, green is the end game to any business last time I checked in these United States. Furthermore, GREEN is the end game of your argument for "YOUR" pocketbook and finances and ALL the diabetics taboot. But insuring millions of Americans who didn't have coverage prior? Where do you think we would pay for these costs? Do you want your taxes to increase to 75% for real universal health care? Then please vote for it. I am IN and can afford it!

Please remember that not all insulins were NOT created 100 years ago. Long acting insulins like Lantus and Tresiba and others, were not invented 100 years ago, but quite recently. They cost a FORTUNE to get on the market these days (especially considering the direct to consumer advertising we allow here) and are showing VERY positive outcomes. There are in fact MANY ways to manage type I diabetes (most of these are beneficial for type II as well). It isn't simply injecting insulin to cope with your disease:

  • Injecting insulin responsibly
  • Carbohydrate counting
  • Frequent blood sugar monitoring
  • Eating healthy foods
  • Exercising regularly and maintaining a healthy weight
However, we are a sad nation. Increasingly uneducated, unmotivated, plugged in to media, and simply unwilling to take charge and live active healthy lifestyles. This is (IMO) the primary culprit of WHY we suck at health in this country and why we rank so low in our "bang-for-buck" for dollars spent vs mortality rate. Sorry if I missed the point or got off topic Dr. (I tend to do that sometimes)
 
I have been either self employed or worked for tiny start ups for thirty years. The medical insurance industry has been almost non-existent for those market prior to the ACA. My normal experience was either, a) no one would sell insurance to me at any price or b) I had exactly one company offering insurance to us at a high price.

Medical inflation has been a problem for decades. We got "spoiled" thinking the results from 2009 - 2014 were the new normal but really it was a recession centric special event. There are powerful economic reasons why the American system of medicine drives on-going increases in pricing without delivering even average medical outcomes. It is a disaster of epic, nation destroying proportions. This issue will be as great a threat to the nation as anything from the last hundred years including the great depression or either of the world wars.

Free market medicine, as we practice it now, is the enemy of the United States -=- DrStrange
 
I think I missed the point. I haven't been taking my meds because I can't afford them anymore.
 
Such a spammy thread title. Fools me every time it gets bumped. Had my finger on the spaminator button again.
 

Create an account or login to comment

You must be a member in order to leave a comment

Create account

Create an account and join our community. It's easy!

Log in

Already have an account? Log in here.

Back
Top Bottom