Fun hand on a lazy afternoon (1 Viewer)

[PhilLaFond]

Here's a fun hand from a 6+ hr session yesterday afternoon at the Horseshoe. I rarely feel I played a hand with minimal mistakes, but this might be one. Tell me what you think. I was about 5 hrs into the session and had a pretty good feel for the table. Hadn't been too much turnover since I sat down. Playing 1/3, with a stack of $320. Was in for $400, so down a little. I'm on the button and look down at . Folds around to the cut-off who limps. I min raise. I know, I know, but raises to $15-$18 had been routinely getting 4 callers minimum, so I wanted to just see what happened with the blinds. 4 callers, pot of $24. Flop comes . Good flop, all things considered and with position, but not great. Checks around to me. I lead out for $15. Both blinds fold and the co calls. CO is an older gentleman, maybe early sixties. Hasn't been at the table long, but my read is that he's straight forward, TAG. Pot is $54 - rake. Turn is lightning in a bottle - . CO checks. This is where I start having fun, but I'll save that for a bit. Thoughts on my move here?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Bet $35 and hope he goes crazy.

 

[MrBo]

Jackpot, now let's build a pot and hope turn gave Villain a 2-pair kind of hand or pair+draw (KJ/QJ/JT). I'd target these types of hands, plus flopped sets/2 pair in my bet sizing and go on the larger end... 35-45ish. If we fold out weak Kings or flush draws so be it, they probably wouldn't call a 25-35 bet anyways if truly TAG.

 

[bergs]

Bet $40 and look uncomfortable.

 

[Ben]

Very bad flop, and I would take the free card. Against 3-4 players you're always behind, and never going to blow everyone off the pot here.

As played, thank the poker gods and bet $40.

 

[detroitdad]

Bet $35 and hope he goes crazy.

That was the number in my head

 

[DrStrange]

Hero has to bet - $35 for me.

DrStrange

 

[PhilLaFond]

We're thinking alike Bo. My read on the flop was some type of painted hand, or maybe a flush draw. Off chance he has set, but I would have thought he'd play that differently.

 

[MoscowRadio]

Thank the poker Gods for gutshots. I think a bet of $35-$40 is in order as others have already stated, but this thread begs the question: is the continuation bet overrated? Obviously here you got got incredibly lucky by starting to build a pot with substantially low equity and turned the nuts, and what's better is that it's pretty well disguised.

Not intending to threadjack by any means, but I'd be interested in knowing how many people would've taken the free turn card, especially against three opponents.

 

[Mr Tree]

Thank the poker Gods for gutshots. I think a bet of $35-$40 is in order as others have already stated, but this thread begs the question: is the continuation bet overrated? Obviously here you got got incredibly lucky by starting to build a pot with substantially low equity and turned the nuts, and what's better is that it's pretty well disguised.

Not intending to threadjack by any means, but I'd be interested in knowing how many people would've taken the free turn card, especially against three opponents.

I'd have taken the free card. Too many opponents and I think most of the time you start building someone else's pot. Plus you have to dump if you bet then get check raised. I'd have foregone the c bet.

 

[DrStrange]

Free card here! That flop is wet and most cards that "improve" Hero's hand make even better hands for someone else. Hero is mostly drawing for a three outer gutshot. Not only is Hero likely behind someone but his draw is one of the weakest possible.

The only time I'd bet is if the plan is a multi barrel bluff. And that takes a very specific table / villain read.

DrStrange

 

[MoscowRadio]

Free card here! That flop is wet and most cards that "improve" Hero's hand make even better hands for someone else. Hero is mostly drawing for a three outer gutshot. Not only is Hero likely behind someone but his draw is one of the weakest possible.

The only time I'd bet is if the plan is a multi barrel bluff. And that takes a very specific table / villain read.

DrStrange

This was my exact thought process for this hand.

 

[PhilLaFond]

Interesting thoughts and insight so far. So you will just LOVE what happens next...I decide to get cute and make what I hope is perceived as an unorthodox and weak probing bet - $15. Villain raises to $40. Bingo!! I now am convinced he has two pair or a set of 4s. I repop to $100, getting significant reaction from several other players. Villain thinks for about 1 minute and then calls, with a notable sigh.
Ok, continue with your critique, and don't worry - I've never believed myself to be very good at this game.

 

[Mr Tree]

Interesting thoughts and insight so far. So you will just LOVE what happens next...I decide to get cute and make what I hope is perceived as an unorthodox and weak probing bet - $15. Villain raises to $40. Bingo!! I now am convinced he has two pair or a set of 4s. I repop to $100, getting significant reaction from several other players. Villain thinks for about 1 minute and then calls, with a notable sigh.
Ok, continue with your critique, and don't worry - I've never believed myself to be very good at this game.

The bet of $15 is...weird, but it works like a charm. Hard to say but if I was villain that bet may slow me down just because it seems so out of place. However this time it worked like perfectly for you. Hope the board doesn't pair on the river!

 

[MoscowRadio]

The bet of $15 is very strange, but I see it a lot in online cash games. People bet 1/10 of the pot hoping that someone will put in a bunch of money with air and then they get re-popped. I don't think I've ever gone for that play because I'm too worried about someone just flatting, but it definitely worked here!

 

[Ben]

I see it all the time in live games - player knows he should bet, but is risk-averse (or is drawing and wants to "set the price" cheap.) Then berates you for calling with a crappy hand and sucking out ("WTF man I bet it the whole way!")

So you bet $15 and got raised to $40? I would much rather just bet the $40, as the 3-bet then tips off your hand a LOT more. (And if he's willing to call a 3-bet to $100, there's a good chance he would still have raised the $40 bet.)

 

[MikesDad]

A little late to the game, but I stopped reading when I got to "older gentleman, maybe early sixties.".... who you calling old?
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[Chippy McChiperson]

No need to get cute here, you hit your gutter, so villain going to easily be able to put you on a hand. Like Ben says, if he is check raising your $15, he is check raising your $40 most likely. If he does this, you may be able to get all the money in in the turn with the nuts.

 

[PhilLaFond]

A little late to the game, but I stopped reading when I got to "older gentleman, maybe early sixties.".... who you calling old?
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"Older", not "old" sir!!

 

[MrBo]

1) I would've taken the free card on the flop and agree with the reasons already stated.
2) Dislike the smaller turn sizing particularly for the reason that players in Villain's demographic will not often check-raise with their bluff/semi-bluff hands. Like Chippy says, if he's 2-pair strong or better he'd probably check-raise any 2nd barrel you put out here and help you get your stack in with the nuts. At this point he still has a little wiggle room to get away from his hand after getting significant info from your turn 3-bet and will pooooossibly check-fold the river to a large bet with unimproved 2-pairs and perhaps even bottom set.

 

[MikesDad]

"Older", not "old" sir!!

ok... you're forgiven

 

[PhilLaFond]

Good info so far. I definitely see areas I can work on. River comes and get this - villain leads out for a hundo. I jam and he tanks for a good 3 minutes before folding KQ off face up. Excellent result, and changed my read on him some, though we were not in another hand together before I left.