If consumer prices are rising, it's almost with 100% certainty that it's due to raw material or labor costs rising. Any business is NOT better than no business if that business is no longer profitable.
By that logic, I would like to buy Microsoft, Apple and Amazon stock today at their initial price offerings. Just bad timing on my part, right? It's only fair.
Really, how bad are things when you are complaining about not being able to buy a poker table, or not having one dropped in your lap? Same everywhere, “covid devastated my life” yet everyone’s out buying cars, poker tabes, poker chips, Starbucks, etc...
Some could be taking advantage of the situation as well.... Never know... Not everyone is capable of building there own table. Why I offer to do them for free if I get to play on it..
That's very noble and generous of you. Wish you lived out this way, I'd def. take you up on that offer and would certainly QUESTION THE VALUE OF your time!
Here is one I built for just the material cost....Nothing fancy but gets er done..That's very noble and generous of you. Wish you lived out this way, I'd def. take you up on that offer and would certainly compensate you for your time!
And I do agree...part of the struggle with this whole thing is there are not a lot of options out there. Market opportunity here? Go look at Facebook Marketplace...it's dry of high-quality 10+ seaters. BBO doesn't offer non-racetrack, non-cup holder tables.
Here is one I built for just the material cost....Nothing fancy but gets er done..View attachment 514363
What surface is that?As many know you can get most material for Joanns. I bought Ostrich for a western poker table. I may not have been sober....
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Not at all. If you want people to take you seriously about being a long-term host, then invest in your table. It's the first thing they see. As the saying goes, you never get a second chance to make a first impression.
Playing field?
I'm south of you in MA - I decided to build my own instead of buying from Gorilla and saved some $$.
I built an 8 seater but you could easily build a 10 seater. My build thread has lots of the steps outlined with photos:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ld-legs-upholstery-question.42999/post-807514
You can very definitely build for well less than $1000 ...
Yep, came for the chips, but ending up with a table instead. Lol for the cost of the table, I could have had more than a few chip sets I drool over. Oh well, the chips will forever be here, a barrel, or rack at a time.
Not to mention this
"According to new data from the National Association of Home Builders, lumber prices have risen to average more than $600 per thousand board feet. That marks a nearly 80 percent increase since April 2020. "
Surplus money did twothings... put money in homeowners hands and with the time off many took advantage of home improvements.
Home Depot buys one year in advance. With the increased sales from spring, Home depot couldn't keep up with lumber demands. Leaving shelves empty...
Really, how bad are things when you are complaining about not being able to buy a poker table, or not having one dropped in your lap? Same everywhere, “covid devastated my life” yet everyone’s out buying cars, poker tabes, poker chips, Starbucks, etc...
Yeah plus with the state of the housing market being so bonkers, I'm sure builders are battling for lumber to do more builds as well.
#2. The COVID-19 aspect. Selfish but it feels like companies should take a hit more than customers. Who do I get to layoff to keep profits coming in? Everyone is getting wrecked by COVID-19, but where's my PPP bailout? Stimulus check: $1,200. Average PPP loan: $100,000, maximum: $10,000,000.
#3 Business aspect...isn't any business better than no business? With the amount of people pay raise frozen, furloughed, hours cut, or plain laid off, to raise prices now almost feels greedy. Shouldn't prices be lowered to drive business in instead of away? Lower prices/COVID-19 discount: drive more sales! Raise prices: additional incentive to go elsewhere/build yourself/wait to buy.
Looks cool, but those bumps!
Wow that came out nice! Maybe I'll work my own table but have a professional upholstery guy do the rail.
Should we start a petition to change the name from PCF to PTF? LOL. I agree, the table >>> chips on impact to your game. But chips are where you can play for years, building sexy sets, etc.
All in all, raising the issue of the real hardships people are facing (layoffs, wage reductions, etc) to try to strengthen your argument of why you want a cheaper price on a poker table has a bit of a stench to it.
Best solution is to build your own. Building your own table is not actually that difficult. It just takes time and preparation. There are a lot of DIY threads on this site.
I understand how you feel, it IS really unfortunate that this has happened and that your plans need to change, especially at no fault of your own.You mentioning "deal breaker" helped me crystallize the reasons I'm steamed. Most are pretty selfish, LOL.
In no particular order....
#1. Bad luck...I've been planning the purchase for a long time, literally had it on my todo list with some more important financial stuff in front of it...finally get to it and there's a significant price hike! Argh.
#2 Related to #1, but it breaks a price wall. Over $1000 for the same table I had spec.ed out now, yikes! Under $1000: "Oh that's not so bad." Over $1000: "Yikes, in these times of COVID-19, you need to be more responsible with your money!" LOL.
#2. The COVID-19 aspect. Selfish but it feels like companies should take a hit more than customers. Who do I get to layoff to keep profits coming in? Everyone is getting wrecked by COVID-19, but where's my PPP bailout? Stimulus check: $1,200. Average PPP loan: $100,000, maximum: $10,000,000.
#3 Business aspect...isn't any business better than no business? With the amount of people pay raise frozen, furloughed, hours cut, or plain laid off, to raise prices now almost feels greedy. Shouldn't prices be lowered to drive business in instead of away? Lower prices/COVID-19 discount: drive more sales! Raise prices: additional incentive to go elsewhere/build yourself/wait to buy.
#4 Lack of empathy/I'm a snowflake. Can't they slip me the old price as it's pretty much my bad luck on the timing, and they know it? It's an opportunity to make me a lifetime supporter of the company! I'm a sale dangling in the wind, LOL. And the same as "is $125 really a dealbreaker for me?" Should it really be a dealbreaker for them, on a single sale?
I hope this doesn't come off as too crybaby, LOL. If nothing else it's a glimpse inside some consumer minds - or at least 1!
they only went up from $189 to $199?I've been tossing it around because I have a buddy who would help...I'm not handy, and I don't have the tools or the room. Maybe this will push me over the edge, oy!
Yeah I think that's what I was seeing, but I don't have numbers from before in my notes. Kicking myself for not pulling the trigger a while ago. What table did you get BTW? Happy with it? Selling it any time soon? LOL.
Do they have a presence here? I'd love to get in touch with someone who could help out in this situation!
Yeah...ouch.