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Save me 32 pages of reading and recommend some hand guns for a first time owner. Wife has always refused but recently has had a change of heart, hitting too close to home I guess. I've never fired a hand gun, only shotguns and rifles when I was younger. I plan on signing both of us up for classes before we make any purchases and I'm sure the instructors will have recommendations as well but just wanted to get some different opinions.

A buddy of mine just called me today asking about a first firearm and, as others have posted, I recommended the Glock 19 as well. It was my first semi-auto, and I still have it. It's a phenomenal and reliable firearm.

If this is the first firearm you'll be bringing into the home, make sure you hammer home safety basics. It sounds like you're taking a class, so that is really a great start.

You'll also need to plan on extra purchases such as ear protection, eye protection, ammunition, range bag, cleaning kit, holster (for storage), locking case (if necessary) etc. Entering into your first pistol purchase can quickly push you over $1,000 once all of the accouterments have been accounted for.

I also recommend mastering the 4 rules of firearm safety:
  1. Always treat all guns as if they are always loaded
  2. Never point a gun at anything you are not prepared to destroy
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target and you are prepared to fire
  4. Identify your target, and know what is behind/beyond it
And, Jeff Cooper's firearm Conditions of Readiness (mainly for 1911s but can apply to other firearms) are also good to know:
  • Condition 4: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
  • Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
  • Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
  • Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
  • Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
The only real "down side" to Glocks is that they do not have a mechanical safety. This can bug-out first time gun owners. And you need to decide if it's something that's comfortable for you. Don't let anyone else dictate what is comfortable for you in your own home. This is why I recommended a holster in the purchase list above... a G19 without a round in the chamber, and stored inside a Kydex holster, is a relative safe, yet easily readied, firearm.

Lastly, here's a great intro video for first time firearm owners that I came across today while researching firearm-101 stuff for my friend...

 
My wife has average size hands. I have average size hands. The G19 works well for both of us. I own a few of them.

Glocks aren’t for everyone, but I believe that the G19 is the best all around handgun.

Second that.

For the average firearm owner who wants one for self defense, target, it Is the perfect Gun.
 
Wasn’t me...but I know for a fact that it has happened.

I mean, you can legally give guns away. In some states, transfer paperwork and background checks make it legal. But it is a state issue.

ive traded chips for a Gun, across state limes...

I mean. I didn’t list “chips” as the sale price on the forms...
 
Back to gun pron. I want one of these. Please talk me out of it.

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I made the move to a G43 single stack 9mm compact and haven’t looked back.

Not to make you open your wallet... but have you tried the 43x???? You may just have to look back. :p

I have both the G19 and the G43... and the G43x jumped to the top of my list as a carry option the day I got her out on the range. That smidgen of extra grip in my hand is so much more comfortable. And the extra capacity is a nice bonus too.
 
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While this statement isn't totally false, it's a matter of ammo choice. You'll get plenty of over penetration with a 223 with anything other than SD or other hyper expanding ammo. FMJ & HPBT will fully penetrate through 2x lumber inside 20 yds. I wouldn't advocate buckshot unless you are the only one in the house and not another house for quite a ways in any direction. 2 3/4 inch 7 1/2 or 8 shot wont over penetrate any more than hyper expanding /SD
In every ballistics test I’ve seen 5.56/.223 penetrates less than 9mm and 45 pistol ammo. Now I wouldn’t use green tip either..but that is a shit HD round anyway

Save me 32 pages of reading and recommend some hand guns for a first time owner. Wife has always refused but recently has had a change of heart, hitting too close to home I guess. I've never fired a hand gun, only shotguns and rifles when I was younger. I plan on signing both of us up for classes before we make any purchases and I'm sure the instructors will have recommendations as well but just wanted to get some different opinions.

If you poll the top gun experts/trainers in the world a Glock 19 is going to be the most common answer. Even after the Army selected the Sig, most Spec Ops are using the Glock 19. If there is a better “consumer reports” for weapons than those guys I don’t know what it would be. Those units fire more ammo out of their weapons training than entire branches of the military.

That said I’m a M&P guy so I would also recommend the new Compact in 9mm which is the same size as the Glock 19. Next to Glock, the M&P line is the most common in LE and competition shooting. It has better ergonomics than a Glock IMO and the same broad aftermarket support for accessories and holsters. You can also get them with thumb safety’s which I wouldn’t necessarily recommend. I use thumb safeties because I learned to shoot pistols with 1911’s and instinctively switch that off. I also like having it for appendix carry.
 
There’s great advice above but some quick questions that will help narrow it down quickly
  • larger gun for home or smaller gun for eventual carry?
  • Do you like the idea of a visible hammer or does a strikerfire handgun have more appeal?
  • Do you like the idea of a manual safety or do you hate it?
  • Have a preferred caliber?
  • Have a budget?

  • The plan is to keep it home for now
  • Say what? :tdown:
  • No preference
  • No
  • $500 I realize the accessories will quickly add up as well.
 
A buddy of mine just called me today asking about a first firearm and, as others have posted, I recommended the Glock 19 as well. It was my first semi-auto, and I still have it. It's a phenomenal and reliable firearm.

If this is the first firearm you'll be bringing into the home, make sure you hammer home safety basics. It sounds like you're taking a class, so that is really a great start.

You'll also need to plan on extra purchases such as ear protection, eye protection, ammunition, range bag, cleaning kit, holster (for storage), locking case (if necessary) etc. Entering into your first pistol purchase can quickly push you over $1,000 once all of the accouterments have been accounted for.

I also recommend mastering the 4 rules of firearm safety:
  1. Always treat all guns as if they are always loaded
  2. Never point a gun at anything you are not prepared to destroy
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target and you are prepared to fire
  4. Identify your target, and know what is behind/beyond it

Great info, thank you.
 
Save me 32 pages of reading and recommend some hand guns for a first time owner. Wife has always refused but recently has had a change of heart, hitting too close to home I guess. I've never fired a hand gun, only shotguns and rifles when I was younger. I plan on signing both of us up for classes before we make any purchases and I'm sure the instructors will have recommendations as well but just wanted to get some different opinions.
What kind of car do you like?

HK = Mercedes
Sig = BMW
Glock = Toyota
Smith & Wesson = Ford
Ruger = Chevy
CZ = Volvo
Taurus = Kia with no warranty

I'm a CZ guy, so I'm legally obliged to say that the CZ p10c, except for being better than a Glock in every way, is just like the Glock 19.

Personally, I like the p07 even better than the p10c
 

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  • The plan is to keep it home for now
  • Say what? :tdown:
  • No preference
  • No
  • $500 I realize the accessories will quickly add up as well.


  • The plan is to keep it home for now - then buy a gun the size of the Glock 19 ...or a Glock 19 ...or M&P compact. “Small enough to conceal but big enough to fight with” is commonly said about the Glock 19.
  • Say what? - If you don’t know the difference stick with striker fired
  • If you never trained with a thumb safety skip it
  • No preference - 9mm is the best option for most scenarios. Buy cheap practice ammo but research the best defensive ammo. I use Federal HST
  • $500 I realize the accessories will quickly add up as well. - this will get you the pistols mentioned above

  • You should have at least 3 mags for any pistol but 5 is better. Number them and shoot them in rotation. If you get a malfunction note the number of the mag. Try it again and if it gives you trouble get rid of it or save for practice. Run at least 300 rounds of cheap ball ammo to verify reliability. 500 better. You should have no malfunctions. Run at least a box of the HD ammo to check reliability of feeding. The pistols mentioned should pass those tests.
 
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Save me 32 pages of reading and recommend some hand guns for a first time owner. Wife has always refused but recently has had a change of heart, hitting too close to home I guess. I've never fired a hand gun, only shotguns and rifles when I was younger. I plan on signing both of us up for classes before we make any purchases and I'm sure the instructors will have recommendations as well but just wanted to get some different opinions.

I just went through this process and made a purchase around 30 days ago. Similar situation... wife finally came around after years of being adamantly against guns in the house. Previously, I'd fired guns here and there but I had no direct experience to draw from. But I'd been reading up on them for years, so I was reasonably well educated when I went up to the gun counter.

Here is my first-time-gun-purchasing experience.

Reason for purchase: Enjoyment/home defense.

I intend to shoot often... so a common caliber was a requirement to keep cost of ammo down. I chose 9 mm for this reason. The cheap ammo like Blazer Brass 115gr (18-20 cents/round) feeds reliably.

Another requirement I had was something I wouldn't need to make a lot of modifications/upgrades to. I just wanted something good out of the box.

I had my eye on a Taurus G3. It was well reviewed by many Youtubers including Hickok45 and generally considered to be a solid handgun for the price. Dunhams had one in stock for $250. I traveled to the store with the intention of making a purchase.

In the store, I absolutely hated the stipling on the grips. It was like gripping sandpaper. I held the gun for 30 seconds and after handing it back to the clerk, the palm of my hand noticably ached a bit. It's worth pointing out that I sit at a desk all day... so my hands aren't very tough. If you swing a hammer for a living, YMMV. But the aggressive texture on the handle was enough for me to reconsider my choice.

My backup plan was the Smith & Wesson SD9VE. The recognizable brand name, high capacity mags (16) and the price ($309 on sale) were attractive elements. This one was also well reviewed except for one universal complaint about how 'bad the trigger' was.

'How bad can it be?' I asked myself, thinking that while it may not be the Cadillac of Pistols - it should be a solid choice. After handling one in the store (with a trigger lock installed), I decided it felt good in the hand. I had permission. I was ready. I lost my gunginity that night.

So a week went by before I was able to try it out. I ended up at my buddy's property, who it just so happened had purchased a Gen4 Glock45 the week prior.

I awkwardly stuffed 16 rounds using the Maglula I'd also bought into a mag and slide the magazine into the mag-well of my new gun, eager to try it out for the first time. I couldn't get it all the way in! Disappointment turned to panic as flashbacks of another botched first-time-experience ran through my head. It turns out that many guns won't accept a fully loaded magazine... so I locked the slide open. Now it fits! I pointed the gun in a safe direction and pushed down on the slide release, half expecting a round to go off. It didn't of course.

I proceeded to shoot all the rounds at a paper target my buddy had set up. Accuracy was terrible (I was all over the place) but no hangups, and everything fed through nicely. Trigger seemed fine... it shot a bullet down the tube with every pull! Not sure what all the complaining was about.

Then I shot my buddy's Glock45.

From about 25 feet away I put the entire magazine in a 6" group near the center of the target! And this was a larger caliber weapon with more recoil!

I then reloaded the mag for the SD9 and once again I could barely hit the target. The SD9 has a long takeup, and then with an 8 lb trigger you pull against the wall for what seems like forever before it finally breaks. Holding on a target for that long makes it very difficult to consistently hit what you're aiming at. In fact, I had better luck just acquiring the target and squeezing the trigger all in one motion, which is really what it's designed for, since the SD stands for 'self defense'.

So I started the process of shopping around again. My local Dunhams had exactly one Sig Sauer P365XL in stock. I'd seen many review videos and I'd been wanting to check them since I liked the regular P365 but it always felt too small in my hands (I wear a 2xl golf glove as a point of reference).

Even being an 'XL', it is considerably smaller than the SD9. I looked around at a few others including the Gen4 and Gen5 Glock 19 models before deciding to buy the Sig.

I haven't looked back since. Everything about that gun is smooth as one could hope for. And the trigger is incredible :) If I had it to do all over again and could choose any pistol in the case, I'd choose the Sig.

TL;DR: Moxie Mike has been a kid in a candy store ever since Mrs. Moxie gave the green light to buy guns. In May, I acquired those two handguns and just last week I bought an AR15 (also a Sig). Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
Save me 32 pages of reading and recommend some hand guns for a first time owner. Wife has always refused but recently has had a change of heart, hitting too close to home I guess. I've never fired a hand gun, only shotguns and rifles when I was younger. I plan on signing both of us up for classes before we make any purchases and I'm sure the instructors will have recommendations as well but just wanted to get some different opinions.
There isn't really a wrong answer to your question. Personally I dislike glock because the grip angle is uncomfortable. My first choice is Smith & Wesson M&P 9, followed closely by Springfield XD mod.2. Walther and Ruger also make good pistols. For first time handgun owners I would reccomend getting a full size before going with a compact or sub compact size. Your best bet is to hold as many as you can and go with what feels good.
 
What kind of car do you like?

HK = Mercedes
Sig = BMW
Glock = Toyota
Smith & Wesson = Ford
Ruger = Chevy
CZ = Volvo
Taurus = Kia with no warranty

I'm a CZ guy, so I'm legally obliged to say that the CZ p10c, except for being better than a Glock in every way, is just like the Glock 19.

Personally, I like the p07 even better than the p10c

you forgot:
HI-POINT= Yugo
 
Not to make you open your wallet... but have you tried the 43x???? You may just have to look back. :p

I have both the G19 and the G43... and the G43x jumped to the top of my list as a carry option the day I got her out on the range. That smidgen of extra grip in my hand is so much more comfortable. And the extra capacity is a nice bonus too.

Could you run with it? Assuming a snug holster, etc.
 
One of my carry pistols. This pistol has some great features, the best one probably being the magazine that is flush when holstered by extends to give your pinkie room on the grip when it is squeezed.

I also like the small indent for your trigger finger on the frame.

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Could you run with it? Assuming a snug holster, etc.

I'll be honest, I normally don't carry (so I don't have a ton of experience to draw from), as I just don't think it's necessary in my day-to-day happenings in Denver. But given the recent panic(s), I've been wearing it daily in a Concealment Express IWB kydex holster.

I haven't done a flat out run... but I've done regular daily movements, including wrangling an 11-month old, running around Home Depot, and taking the dog to the dog-park, without any unwanted movement. And at my age, a flat-out sprint is unlikely. :p Hence the CCW. ;)
 
First time I saw this thread.

I own just the one gun (licensing firearms is a super-pain over here).

Classic CZ-75B, with a light trigger job, an after-market spring and a Crimson Trace laser grip.

I'm planning to get a 1911 because I love SA triggers. They make the Rock Rivers here so I am thinking maybe one of their new 9mm TCMs.

What I really want is a Sig P365 or a CZ-P10C for concealed carry, but at the inflated prices they come in these days, especially for the SIG.....
 
After watching the disgraceful looting happening in my city tonight, I think I understand. If I owned a business I’m pretty sure I would have all my armed friends sitting there in my store front saying ....go ahead, try it.

That has actually happened... & it's worked. Protesters have walked into a few towns to find armed citizens lining the sidewalk.

The result: No looting, no vandalism, & (gasp) no violence...... Just don't expect to see it on CNN or read about it in the NY Times.

Snohomish WA is one example.... king5.com/article/news/local/protests/snohomish-george-floyd-protests-armed-citizens-protesters/
 
That has actually happened... & it's worked. Protesters have walked into a few towns to find armed citizens lining the sidewalk.

The result: No looting, no vandalism, & (gasp) no violence...... Just don't expect to see it on CNN or read about it in the NY Times.

Snohomish WA is one example.... king5.com/article/news/local/protests/snohomish-george-floyd-protests-armed-citizens-protesters/
Yup. Videos all over the Internet ....but not being shown on CNN and the MSM. Here are two. Lots more out there.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2020/05/31/we-werent-goin-to-sit-back-and-let-it-happen-
italian-bakery-owners-welcome-looters-with-an-impressive-arsenal-n473024




https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylv...0200602-etevys44urgfxakhyryap4uczu-story.html

This one shows you just how effective it is. Check out how fast the looters run the other way
 
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I was surprised at how well the Tactical 5.11 holster shirt secured a midsize stainless steel pistol for concealed carry. I'll bet it would do a good job while running, but sweat would be gross.

https://www.511tactical.com/holster-shirt.html

I wear a belly band when I run and have no problem. After running, make sure you wipe down your firearm with either a silicone rag, or balistol, or something similar to keep it from rusting from the sweat.
 
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