Tourney Has the t2,000 chip fallen out of favor? (2 Viewers)

[justsomedude]

It seems like the T2,000 chip was all the rage for a while, especially with folks who were strict adherents to the 4-5x denom-jump rule. For a year or two it seemed like everyone was making a custom set with a T2,000 in their sets. I've only played a few tournaments with T2,000s in play, and to be totally honest, they seemed to cause more problems than they solved.

Fast-forward to today and I don't really see the T2,000 in custom sets anymore. Was it one of those, "yea, I needed it to satisfy my OCD, but it was a hassle on the table so I've moved on" type of deals? Or are they still popular with a certain crowd and just not being made in any sets of late?

 

[abby99]

I was never a fan. I've seen enough players who have trouble counting out T500 chips and can't even imagine what they would do with T2000s.

 

[justsomedude]

I was never a fan. I've seen enough players who have trouble counting out T500 chips and can't even imagine what they would do with T2000s.

OK. That seriously made me laugh out loud.

 

[Chris Manzoni]

I've hosted tournaments since 2004, from the very beginning it's been 25–100–500–1000–5000. If I were to introduce 2K chips at this point I think heads would literally explode.

 

[LinkyBabe]

Not sure why this is so difficult... none of the people I play with have issues with my T2000's. I didn't even know this was a thing until I joined this forum.

Odd that they can comprehend...

25c, $1, $5, $20

but not...

T25, T100, T500, T2000

It's the same progression!

Later this year, I plan on not only adding more T2K's to my set but introducing a T10K as well...

 

[PaulsonCollector]

Played in a Game which featured a T2500 Chip für a while, to be like the T25. But people weren't smart enough to bet 4K anymore, so they moved back to T1000 and T5000

 

[Danger mouse]

Then there’s my group that uses 1000 and 2000 chips.

 

[BGinGA]

It seems like the T2,000 chip was all the rage for a while, especially with folks who were strict adherents to the 4-5x denom-jump rule. For a year or two it seemed like everyone was making a custom set with a T2,000 in their sets. I've only played a few tournaments with T2,000s in play, and to be totally honest, they seemed to cause more problems than they solved.

Fast-forward to today and I don't really see the T2,000 in custom sets anymore. Was it one of those, "yea, I needed it to satisfy my OCD, but it was a hassle on the table so I've moved on" type of deals? Or are they still popular with a certain crowd and just not being made in any sets of late?

You'd get a better response if you posted a "Show us your T2000 chips!" pr0n thread.

 

[k9dr]

Not sure why this is so difficult... none of the people I play with have issues with my T2000's. I didn't even know this was a thing until I joined this forum.

Odd that they can comprehend...

25c, $1, $5, $20

but not...

T25, T100, T500, T2000

It's the same progression!

Later this year, I plan on not only adding more T2K's to my set but introducing a T10K as well...

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In for T10K sample

 

[Poker Zombie]

I played in a tournament recently that used T2000s. I saw extremely intelligent players making errors betting constantly. It required rethinking the rule that states players must "make their intentions clear", because if most of the table thinks 3 chips in a 3000 bet, but the chips read 6000, was the player not clear, or were the chips not clear?

There will always be some that want the T2000. It won't keep me away from the game, but it does not improve it at all, and makes it worse. I'd rather discuss the merits of passing the deal anti-clockwise, as that would also be a useless change for no good reason.

 

[moose]

Not sure why this is so difficult... none of the people I play with have issues with my T2000's. I didn't even know this was a thing until I joined this forum.

Odd that they can comprehend...

25c, $1, $5, $20

but not...

T25, T100, T500, T2000

It's the same progression!

Later this year, I plan on not only adding more T2K's to my set but introducing a T10K as well...

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That hundo is sexy!

But $2k chips seem awkward. Making an odd numbered bet would be always require a verbal declaration and change or a combination including $500 chips. It would be impossible after the $500 was removed from play or require them to remain on the table longer than usual.

All my tourney sets compensate by having more $1000s than $500s. I only put 3-5 $500s in each starting stack and the same or more $1000s. My usual is 12/12/5/6 for $10k and when colouring up the 25/100 I get the players to make stacks of $1000, removing $500s and adding moar $1k.

 

[BGinGA]

, but it does not improve it at all, and makes it worse.

I understand you are adamant about this position, but I still maintain that it has a LOT to do with chip design.

There is no question that the T2000 is more efficient and works best in large stacks (20K+) and large events (20+ players), but there can be issues with T1000 confusion unless certain design 'standards' are implemented.

Colors typically used for T1000 chips (yellow or orange) should not be used for T2000 chips (base or spots), and the denomination should be clear, reasonably large, and easy to read. It can also be beneficial if the chips are 'different' than the lower denomination chips -- either oversize, or a different shape (octagons or plaques).

I have not seen or experienced any difficulties in tournaments using T2000 denominations when those design changes were used to help eliminate confusion and errors. But a yellow or orange standard-size T2000 chip with a hard to read small-text denomination is just asking for trouble.

 

[upNdown]

When I first read about the 2k chip here, I thought it was just some clever gimmick. Then it didn’t take too much reading to convince me that a 2k is more efficient, so it makes a lot of sense. But understanding that it makes more sense doesn’t make it better. If it’s at all disruptive to play (or people’s thought processes) I don’t think it’s wirth it.
It’s kinda like a 4 color deck, I think. It makes more sense, but how often do you see people playing with them?

 

[pltrgyst]

....I saw extremely intelligent players making errors betting constantly....

I would say your assessment is overly generous.


Just imagine if they tried playing with my cash set of 33-1/3 cents, $2, $7, $13, $37 denoms...

 

[Jeff]

Was it ever in favor? Not with me.

Edit: This is not a hill to die on for me. I suspected that Zombie was talking about me at Bens meetup because I sat to his right for the first part of the tourney, and I had trouble adjusting initially. But then he said intelligent people and I let out a sigh of relief that he wasn’t talking about me!

There are disadvantages to straying from the norm. I have a black $1 in my main custom cash set and there have been a few comments about that at games. People get used to a certain color or denom convention and it requires more effort for some to break old (and I mean really old) gambling habits.

 

[Jz44]

Interesting. I've never seen, heard of, or considered using a 2k chip until this thread.

How are they more efficient? It seems like it would be a giant pita in an average 10k stacks tourney.

 

[ChaosRock]

Huge fan of T2K chips as some of you know. All my tourney custom sets have T2Ks.

Yes, it takes a few minutes or even a couple of games for some new people to get getting used to it. But that speaks more about players being accustomed to the T1Ks and NOT about T2K having any inherent issue. Just because most tourneys use T1K doesn't make it "right". Same thing with most tourney structures one sees at casinos. Yes, things can be improved.

That doesn't mean T1Ks suck. It is still very much playable. It makes the T500 almost an afterthought of a chip, but it is definitely playable.

 

[Ronoh]

I dislike them because they are a non-standard denomination that at some point becomes the workhorse chip.

It results in those proficient at chip handling having to add the mental step of figuring out how many chips to bet. For those who already have to do that with standard denominations it exacerbates the issue.

They are fine early on but once they become the workhorse chip they make the game clumsy.

 

[LinkyBabe]

Interesting. I've never seen, heard of, or considered using a 2k chip until this thread.

 

[ChipTalker]

It has never been in favor with the groups in my area.

 

[ChipEnvy]

I like high end chips because it gives the same feeling to a home game as you get at casino gambling. I've never seen a T2K chip in a casino and efficiency isn't really something that I equate with a hobby where MOAR is almost always better.

I'm not saying T2K chips suck, they just aren't for everybody.

 

[BGinGA]

It seems like it would be a giant pita in an average 10k sucks tourney.

Not recommended for single table events or starting stacks smaller than 20k.

 

[BGinGA]

efficiency isn't really something that I equate with a hobby where MOAR is almost always better.

Using a T2000 chip actually requires MOAR T500 chips be used. In many sets, it is often a great-looking chip that gets sparingly used due to the inefficiency of the T500-T1000 progression.

 

[ChaosRock]

They are fine early on but once they become the workhorse chip they make the game clumsy.

Yeah, I think this argument is a good one man... Even having played with T2Ks for years, I gotta admit once blinds get up there and the T500s are not in play anymore, it's easier to deal with T1Ks and T5Ks than it is with T2Ks.

Overall, and it is just personal preference, if I had to do another custom tourney, I would still go with T2Ks.

 

[justsomedude]

Just out of curiosity.... does a t2,000 chip require more verbal betting? I can see it requiring some verbal clarification for bets that don't exactly match the stacks that a player places out on the table. Does this cause any tilt issues with the nits who prefer to remain totally silent at the table?

 

[upNdown]

I dislike them because they are a non-standard denomination that at some point becomes the workhorse chip.

That’s important, and easily overlooked when people consider how it works in theory. Even if the progression is the same as $1, $5, $20, it doesn’t play out the same way. In the cash context people are doing their betting mostly with the $1’s and $5’s - the $20 is just there as the big chip.
In a tournament setting when the 2k becomes the workhotse, it seems like it would be a very different situation.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I would say your assessment is overly generous.


Just imagine if they tried playing with my cash set of 33-1/3 cents, $2, $7, $13, $37 denoms...

I'd lay even money that You could bet, raise and then go Pot-Pot, and Ben could still tell you the amount you owe inside of 5 seconds with that set.

 

[liftapint]

Mine break BG’s rule of no standard size orange 2k. But they work for me. I guess my players don’t have so many years of experience that they fall into the old dogs-new tricks category, because they don’t have any problem with them

 

[MaxB]

I use a T400 chip with my T2000's ....... makes it a lot less confusing for the players (y) :thumbsup:

 

[Ben]

I'd lay even money that You could bet, raise and then go Pot-Pot, and Ben could still tell you the amount you owe inside of 5 seconds with that set.

Only if I'm paying attention - which I'm probably not.

Oh, and T2k FTW. We're tough around here. I and many of the locals play in a monthly tourney that uses the following denoms: T100, T500, T1000, T2000, T5000, T10000. The T500s are white, the T1000s are very pale yellow, and the T5000s are very light pink. A real poker player always knows what he's betting with.