Given past experience, I would be out if Mod!@#
is involved.
is involved.
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RocAFella1
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If bridge and one of the preferred suppliers, I would commit to 20-50 setups depending on price.
OP
OP
Yeh good on desjgn for coming out the other side of that one with a solid resolution. sounded horrible! I think steering clear of Modiano is probably for the best on this occasion.
grandmeme
Straight
PCF was able to express interest in around 800 setups on the Piatnik bridge jumbo route. However, interested members had to commit to at least 75 setups each due to logistics. I'm sure if you opened up pre-orders to minimum 1 setup per person, you could get us to commit to 1000 bridge setups without an issue. See thread:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...mbo-seeking-buyers.101182/page-3#post-2154894
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...mbo-seeking-buyers.101182/page-3#post-2154894
I'd be out.Modiano: Sent me a fairly respectable quote, and a realistic MOQ, and seem helpful! Are these guys defo off the table? It's a shame they seem the best option of everyone I've contacted so far, based purely on their correspondence
They take too much money, I'd not join.
I'm in for the group buy.
OP
OP
Righto, seeing as Piatnik is the only one out of my favourite printers that has got back to me so far, and we know their reputation and quality is bulletproof, I think God is trying to tell me something: rather than wait around for an offer from a company that runs 1000 MOQs, the challenge to raise enough funds for a 3000 MOQ Piatnik print run has commenced!! Needless to say, this is not something I am in a position to financially cover myself at this time (gulp).
Therefore
I will be upgrading to site Vendor asap so that we can attempt a group buy. I have reached out to a trusted vendor who I have done business with in the past, to see if he is interested in getting involved, and I intend to try and rally some interest from my existing customer base (there is bound to be some crossover). I think I will potentially offer a pre-order feature through my website for those who aren't acquainted with PCF. The option to open the floor to a new group of potential customers and run a small Kickstarter to cover any shortfall in production costs is also available down the line, although I would prefer not to involve Kickstarter in this project if at all possible.
That's it, I will return very shortly with more info! Thank you all for your interest and assistance so far, it is appreciated
Therefore
I will be upgrading to site Vendor asap so that we can attempt a group buy. I have reached out to a trusted vendor who I have done business with in the past, to see if he is interested in getting involved, and I intend to try and rally some interest from my existing customer base (there is bound to be some crossover). I think I will potentially offer a pre-order feature through my website for those who aren't acquainted with PCF. The option to open the floor to a new group of potential customers and run a small Kickstarter to cover any shortfall in production costs is also available down the line, although I would prefer not to involve Kickstarter in this project if at all possible.
That's it, I will return very shortly with more info! Thank you all for your interest and assistance so far, it is appreciated
Okay, I beg you to bring the dash in the Q all the way through. No one else will care but I will! Like the top one below, I dont care size.
justsomedude
Royal Flush
Piatnik?
You just got my attention, sir!
You just got my attention, sir!
SnowConeYeti
Sitting Out
I agree with this lol
OP
OP
I'm all over it!
justsomedude
Royal Flush
OP
OP
I've never done a group buy before, or produced pvc playing cards, so: what would be a fair/good price that you guys would expect/be happy to pay for a 2x deck piatnik setup? Assuming you like the artwork etc.
If you were in for 1 to 10 setups, what would be your preferred/expected price per setup?
Honest/realistic answers only please
If you were in for 1 to 10 setups, what would be your preferred/expected price per setup?
Honest/realistic answers only please
For a card with nice artwork that's durable and practical for use, and has no issues with quality control, $20 is about the ballpark per setup that seems fair. That's the cost of a Copag setup off of Amazon nowadays.
As someone that is doing all the legwork and design work, your time and expertise should be reimbursed and baked into your cost. Not to mention the shipping costs from the print house to you.
For folks that are looking to buy in bulk (10+ setups or by case, how ever many setups that is), a small bulk discount could be considered if you can swing it!
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Group buys have historically been not-for-profit ventures. The group supports you, usually by buying more than each individual needs, in order to hit MOQ and because the items are at rock bottom prices. Somebody will offer to help out (financially or with reshipping), because running a GB is WORK. Vendor status is not required for GBs.
NAGB's are different. You produce something for a profit. People can opt in or out, but the prices may be good, but not great. Few people order more than they need because the discount is just "ok", so the point person (you) are stuck with the extras. You become a vendor and over time you keep selling your stock until you hit a point where you are financially in the black. Then you can do it all over again with a new design.
NAGB's are different. You produce something for a profit. People can opt in or out, but the prices may be good, but not great. Few people order more than they need because the discount is just "ok", so the point person (you) are stuck with the extras. You become a vendor and over time you keep selling your stock until you hit a point where you are financially in the black. Then you can do it all over again with a new design.
Re: selling the rest of your inventory. There are vendors and shops on your side of the pond that I think would buy up some inventory. Look at pokershop.nl and their family of online shops.
An eBay shop or etsy shop, as well as an Amazon vendor page may be worth your while also. If you have any North American connections that will resell for you, all the better!
An eBay shop or etsy shop, as well as an Amazon vendor page may be worth your while also. If you have any North American connections that will resell for you, all the better!
justsomedude
Royal Flush
Honestly, it depends on how you want to do this and what your goals are, and only you can determine that.
There are vendors here who just want to bring product to the community at the best possible price.
And there are vendors who want max profit.
I'm sure there are some who operate in-between there as well.
Right now there is a vendor bringing good-to-high-ish quality setups to the forum at <$10 a setup (before shipping). Many people find them to be more than suitable for their home game needs. That pricing is probably hard to compete with when international shipping is factored in. But when you get into the $25-$30 per setup price, a lot of people will just go to eBay or Amazon and investigate other options.
The hot spot that will attract the most buyers is probably at $8-$10ish per setup.
I think you'd still do OK in the $10-$15 per setup range.
At $20-$25 per setup, it's probably dead in the water and not happening. Especially with a 3000 MOQ.
Just my $0.02.
I understand the basis of what you're saying, but I disagree.
This is where marketing comes in. If this is advertised as a "casino grade 100% plastic playing card", and "better than Copag!" even through retail, they'll sell well between $20 and $25 per setup. Desjgn comes in at $17/setup plus shipping and has sold his products well in the past 10+ years. I think that's the wheelhouse you're looking at.
For the card nerds like you and me that know Piatnik and the quality of their card stock, we're going to go HAM and buy it up.
For North American connections, message @Spinettis Gaming . @Okku works there and has a strong presence in the community.
justsomedude
Royal Flush
I think $20-$25 is sustainable, but as a long term retail/vendor model where stock is on hand and ready-to-ship. As a one-time "let's make this order happen!" situation, I'm not as optimistic. But I'd love to be wrong about that.
PS: Wasn't there a 2023 Piatnik bridge/jumbo GB that failed at $21/setup +shipping because it couldn't attract enough buyers to hit the 3000 MOQ? And prices may have gone up since then.
Agreed, Piatnik is a quality print house.
Sure, i would like $8-$10/setup but if they are truly quality Piatnik card stock & printing I think the $15-$20/setup range is realistic. i feel anything over $20/setup will lower the total amount of buyers here.
Hopefully you have some retail help (or deep pocket buyers) as others have tried buys from Piatnik and had trouble making their MOQ (last one attempted was @MatB ). Gonna be hard to meet the amount of orders from just PCF as getting enough to agree on style, size, index, color will limit the order amounts. And pricing will factor into it a lot as well.
Sure, i would like $8-$10/setup but if they are truly quality Piatnik card stock & printing I think the $15-$20/setup range is realistic. i feel anything over $20/setup will lower the total amount of buyers here.
Hopefully you have some retail help (or deep pocket buyers) as others have tried buys from Piatnik and had trouble making their MOQ (last one attempted was @MatB ). Gonna be hard to meet the amount of orders from just PCF as getting enough to agree on style, size, index, color will limit the order amounts. And pricing will factor into it a lot as well.
I think it could have gone through if a custom run was done. Speaking for myself only, I was only out because it was going to be a run on their existing artwork and I'm already decently stocked up on their factory offerings.
This was also right at the time Justin started selling his Broken Arrow line of cards. Many people scoffed at the $21/setup quote because it seems exorbitant when there is someone selling something shiny and new for $8/setup.
Credit to Justin, he keeps reinventing the artwork and offering something different for each run at a very reasonable price point. But what's being offered here and what he's offering are apples and oranges.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
I do not disagree - but...
If Piatinks came in around $20 a deck, I would pick up 3 setups. The price is good, but I can get other cards cheaper.
If Piatinks came in around $17 a deck, I would pick up 6 setups. The price is good, and I'd like to assist the effort.
If Piatinks came in around $12 a deck, I'd be measuring my shelf to see how many would fit.
If Piatniks cam in <$10 a deck I'd even buy poker size, and would personally guarentee the 3000 MOQ would be reached for the bridge sized order.
I agree. In the same boat as you. At that hypothetical $20/setup ballpark, get to measuring your shelves!
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Keep in mind, that $20 price from Piatnik will actually be $25 after tariffs. Add in that @AHPC also needs to pay VAT / customs duties, and the manufacturer price of $20 may actually be $30 to us.
If Modiano guarantee you 100% satisfaction, why not!? Maybe you could ask a quote for an acetate print as option?
If Piatnik is the printer - even better!
The design looks pretty decent and i would order a brick of these.
And a couple or 3 bridge setups.
If Piatnik is the printer - even better!
The design looks pretty decent and i would order a brick of these.
And a couple or 3 bridge setups.
I'm scared what the damage would be if that happened.
Because of past business dealings souring their reputation. We love Desjgn. Its not just about their product possibly being faulty, its them not caring about us or Desjgn. No need to do business with them when there's other manufacturers.
nickmate
Sitting Out
I’m gonna have to renege on the index preference and flip to style 1. I think the sans serif font make the cards look a lot more unique and modern. In the same vein of Faded Spade or the new Huster Casino Live cards that are produced by RFPoker.Backs - 2 or 4
Index - I'm a fan of the typeface you used on style 2 but like the balance of white space in style 1. Maybe style 2 sized down 1pt to balance the surface area of the type to something more similar to style 1?
Bridge only
It took me a few weeks flipping between which shade of green for my table felt—I don’t envy how difficult it would be to make a decision on each design element for a deck of cards. On top of that balancing the community feedback and suggestions.
The paradox of choice…
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