Cash Game Help me w/ denomination mapping for my custom CPC set (1 Viewer)

[CallingStation614]

Hello from Germany!

I am currently finalizing a CPC Order. I decided to invest in some good custom chips to felt once and every while to make some games special.

My budget is limited, so I decided to go with 600 chips, and I'd prefer not to cross this boundary.

As I said it's a cash game set, I'm hosting two different games and I hope to be able to combine both in this set. I am very open to advice, and when your experience suggests, that my plan sucks, I'm willing to adjust and make the set for only one game.

Group 1:
5c/10c NLHE. Buy-In's 10€-20€. It's a relaxed group of friends, number of players will be everything from 5-10. Some players experienced, some play entirely for fun, so some pots have a decent amount of pre-flop action but this will thin out the field, other hands it's a limp-fest and we go 10handed to a flop... Bets and raises are more conservative, so need lots of 5c and 25c. We allow max. 1 rebuy @10€.

Group 2:
10c/25c NLHE. Buy-Ins 30€-50€. Group of more experienced players, number of players 4-6. We also play for fun, but way more pre-flop action in this group and these guys understand pot-odds and will also size bets based on BB amount and pot size. We also allow max 1 rebuy @25€.
One time a year, I can get 4-5 guys to play 25c/50c, so it would be great if the set allows for this setup as well, but given this are at most 5 players it should be fine.

My plan:
5c x200
25c x200
1€ x140
5€ x40
20€ x20

Thoughts behind:
- I need the 5c for group 1. Up to 10 players, and some rounds people will bet 15c and 6 guys will call to see the flop for example. 25c would still be the workhorse in this group, as well as in the 10/25 game, together with the 1€. I think 140x 1€ would be fine, because in group 1 even betting 2€ will get you some serious side-eyes and "wtf bro, we're trying to have fun"-comments. For the 6 players 10/25 and 25/50 game these 140 should also be plenty.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
Daniel

 

[BigJ]

You could make the smaller game .10/.10 and the bigger game .10/.20 or .10/.30.
This .10/.25 comes from the online world and is pretty akward in a live scenario i would think. That way you do not need any .05 and .25 but just .10 chips and you have basically the same game size. It is much more effecient especially if you are on a budget.

 

[Tonystark137]

Convince the 2nd group to play 25c so you only need 100 5cs.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Only 100 nickels, if you're narrowing down a set that should be the first to go. I like having 200 but only because my chips were cheap and I could buy tons.

 

[Nine_high]

If this is a cash game then it's strange to limit people to one rebuy...they should be allowed to rebuy as many times as they wish (they can always choose not to).

This is actually three games. Ideally you would go with 800. I think you can do it in 600 but not without cutting some corners.

I would shift some of those nickels and quarters to ones and fives. Maybe:

100/140/200/140/20

If you want more nickels and quarters you could split the difference. Maybe:

150/170/160/100/20

I think you'll find the ones to be as important if not more important than the quarters. And only 40 fives will not really support having 20s in play in the .25/.50 game.

 

[LeLe]

Never heard of a cash game with capped rebuy (i can understand if you say a limited from 5-10 buyin cos you want to limited their losses but limiting to 1 sounds pretty dumb)

What happen if one got cooler twice in a row and went all in in the first 2 hands, so are you going to tell the person who travel all the way down to just go back home now?

You be lucky if he don’t go pissed around the living room before leaving.

I can understand limiting buyin for tournaments and not cash game.

If your budget is limited and wanted to capped with 600 chips, spending 1/3 of the chips on the lowest denomination is definitely not wise.

Also u will want to take advantage that with 600 chip order, u can order up to 6 different denominations as well.

To cover 5/10 to 25/50c and only with 600 chips limit, u can probably do it with the following breakdown but it not ideally since u trying to cover too many stakes.

Option 1 (Cover 5/10 and 10/25 where $100 bill notes can come into play for 25/50)
5c x 100
25c x 100
$1 x 200
$5 x 160
$20 x 40

Or

Option 2 (Cover 5/10c to 25/50c without using any $100 bill notes)
5c x 100
25c x 100
$1 x 200
$5 x 100
$20 x 80
$100 x 20

 

[mconn116]

Are you dead set on CPCs? I definitely get the appeal of them and, while they’re really nice, if you’re on a tight budget why not consider something a little more budget friendly that would let you expand your chip count to account for multiple stakes? Others on here are definitely more knowledgeable than me about breakdowns but if you went with a more budget option (Tina web molds ) you could expand your chip count and probably still save a fair amount of $$$$. Then you could definitely optimize your breakdown to be able to play .05/.10 up to .25-.50, just a thought

 

[Nine_high]

You could make the smaller game .10/.10 and the bigger game .10/.20 or .10/.30.
This .10/.25 comes from the online world and is pretty akward in a live scenario i would think. That way you do not need any .05 and .25 but just .10 chips and you have basically the same game size. It is much more effecient especially if you are on a budget.

.10/.25 with nickels and quarters shouldn't be much different than 2/5 in terms of chips. It's a two chip small and a one chip big in both cases.

I will say though that going with dimes (.10/.10, .10/.20) and fifty cent chips (.20/.50 or .50/.50) is a good option here since he would need so few of the fiddies. I've become a huge fan of the fiddy and have basically stopped using quarters. I put out 60 of them for a full table of .50/.50 and it's more than enough. I don't have dimes but they are the natural downward extension.

Could go something like this:

150/70/200/160/20

600 pc set and pretty comfortable from .10/.10 all the way through a small/moderate .20/.50 (or .50/.50) game. Just gotta learn to love the SB=BB configuration.

 

[springbox]

Too many nickels. If you cut to 150, that's still enough for 10 people to have 15 ea. If you cut to 120, that's enough for 6 people to have 20 or 8 people to have 15, or, with 10, 4 to have 15 and 6 to have 10. Unrelated, but how is someone raising to 15c pre? Min should be 20c.

Try to teach your players about the oversized chip call. It's not too complicated for a beginner to understand.

Maybe 120/200/200/60/20 if you're willing to negotiate on nickels.

 

[BGinGA]

100 x 5c
200 x 25c
200 x 1€
100 x 5€

and let 20€ bills play if needed.

Plenty of chips for single-table 5c/10c or 10c/25c games.

 

[CallingStation614]

Thanks everyone for their input.
I think I‘ll move forward with 100/200/200/80/20.
It‘s rare we are full 9 or 10 players on the 5c/10c game and if we really are short of nickels I‘ll be able to supplement with another chip set.

I like the idea of having 200 1€ instead only 140pcs and 80 5€ instead 60.

This is a nice compromise

 

[JustinInMN]

Thanks everyone for their input.
I think I‘ll move forward with 100/200/200/80/20.
It‘s rare we are full 9 or 10 players on the 5c/10c game and if we really are short of nickels I‘ll be able to supplement with another chip set.

I like the idea of having 200 1€ instead only 140pcs and 80 5€ instead 60.

This is a nice compromise

This is the right call, the only remote concern I would have is if you think 25c-50c happens more often you would feel light on fives. But for the stakes in your original post, you really want to have 200 quarters and 200 singles. Even at 10 players the 5c chip probably won't see a lot of use post flop. Divided evenly that's still 10 chips per player 10 handed, I don't think you will need to supplement this.

 

[DZPoker]

I think your "compromise" is spot on @CallingStation614. You shouldn't have issues with that breakdown for the games you laid out.

One thing I think you should give thought to though is @springbox 's comment above:

Unrelated, but how is someone raising to 15c pre? Min should be 20c.

A typical minimum allowed raise in NLHE is 2x the bet. So if the BB is 10c that raise should be to 20c at a minimum (15c shouldn't be allowed). If you adopt and enforce this rule, I think you'll find that people will gravitate to just raising to a quarter, which will help lower your stress level greatly related to need for nickels!

 

[SeanGecko]

So many words and no pictures!!!

 

[JustinInMN]

So many words and no pictures!!!

Well I assume they don't exist yet

 

[SeanGecko]

Well I assume they don't exist yet

That's an excuse!

 

[CallingStation614]

So many words and no pictures!!!

I avoid posting a lot of pictures, since every time I am happy with my quote final unquote design, I read comments and change my mind.
However, since I settled on the breakdown of the set (100/200/200/80/20) and confirmed the order with David, here's what'll arrive in a few months:

Inlays: (7/8", circular on 39mm HHR Mold)

Dealer Button (80mm Acrylic, might or might not be available in justins next group buy) & Seat Chip (7/8", circular on 44mm Scroll Mold):

Mock-Up:

 

[SeanGecko]

I avoid posting a lot of pictures, since every time I am happy with my quote final unquote design, I read comments and change my mind.
However, since I settled on the breakdown of the set (100/200/200/80/20) and confirmed the order with David, here's what'll arrive in a few months:

Inlays: (7/8", circular on 39mm HHR Mold)
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Dealer Button (80mm Acrylic, might or might not be available in justins next group buy) & Seat Chip (7/8", circular on 44mm Scroll Mold):
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Mock-Up:
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BlackDollar!!!

 

[JustinInMN]

BlackDollar!!!

What an ugly american thing to say . It's #BlackEuro. Uh-oh that might be an ugly thing to say too.

 

[SeanGecko]

I am an ugly American so it fits.

 

[SeanGecko]

What an ugly american thing to say . It's #BlackEuro. Uh-oh that might be an ugly thing to say too.

Black Euro sounds like something a history student might call an area the Black Plague hit.