I'm loving my poker tell detector (1 Viewer)

Anthony Martino

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So a number of you have played with me and I will ask an opponent who has bet into me:

"If I show, will you fold?"

It's the opposite of the question people typically expect, and it causes your opponent to pause, process what was actually said vs what their brain wants them to think was said, and then they usually provide you with a tell in the form of their sincerity.

If your opponent is comfortable with their hand and the situation, their smile and response will be genuine. If the opposite is true, their response and smile are generally forced and insincere.

Last night I'm playing 1/2 NL with a 200 max buyin. It's my button and I've straddled to $4. The player in the BB tried to restraddle to $8 but that's not permitted from his position, and he seemed flustered by it. So after the SB folds he raises to $8

Already he's told me he likes to gamble and try to take control of spots. Folds to me and on my button I look down at :8d::8c: and make the call with position on Mr Aggressive

Flop is :as::5d::2d:

Pot: $17

Villain bets $15

I ask him "if I show, will you fold?" and he takes a second to process what was said, and then when he starts to speak it's clear it's forced and not genuine, like he's putting on an act with his response. I make the call

Turn: :qc:

Pot: $47

Villain checks, I check behind.

River :2h:

Pot: $47

Now Villain perks up and starts acting strong "oh no, no checking!" and slams $50 down as his bet. Well now he's giving me another tell. He's acting strong when weak, and his bet size makes little sense. If I had an Ace I'm likely betting the turn when he checks to protect it from the draws, but I didn't do that.

So if I don't have an Ace, and I'm supposed to believe he just hit three of a kind deuces, how am I supposed to pay off his larger than the pot bet? It makes no sense. If he wanted value from me he'd size it much smaller, as my turn check behind gives no indication I can call such a large river bet.

As such his bet is telling me he doesn't want a call, and has sized it appropriately. As Mike Caro says, find out what your opponent wants you to do and then disappoint them. So I make the call and he immediately looks downtrodden and says "good call" in a sad voice and doesn't show, and I flip over my 8's and scoop a nice pot.

He starts muttering "you called with 8's with an Ace out there?!"

I managed to make $221 profit in the cash game last night in just a couple of hours (had also played a satellite tournament but bubbled, not sure I made the right play on that one, posted another strat thread about it)
 
Heh... nice pull.

My standard defense when villains start talking to me is to simply not respond in any way. If the villain thinks it's rude that I don't speak, I don't care. I just know that I'm not good enough to mask any response properly to where I wouldn't give anything away.

Thus, for me, it's always radio silence; no varied hand motions when grabbing chips; call with the same enthusiasm/cadence with which I raise, or check; and keep the same facial expression and tone no matter what.

Simple defenses, yes, but it's all I got. ;)
 
I have never understood why people even respond to speaking in hands. If we are playing together you are getting the exact same silence/face in all spots/pots. I just don't get it. What is the benefit long term of replying and speaking when somebody is looking to get a rise/tell/anything out of you?
 
I have never understood why people even respond to speaking in hands. If we are playing together you are getting the exact same silence/face in all spots/pots. I just don't get it. What is the benefit long term of replying and speaking when somebody is looking to get a rise/tell/anything out of you?
I just watched a Super High Roller Bowl that was recorded last summer. Doyle got into a hand with Esfandiari, and when Antonio started trying to talk him up, Doyle threatened to punch him.
If Doyle doesn't want to talk during hands, then I don't feel bad for it either.
 
I have never understood why people even respond to speaking in hands. If we are playing together you are getting the exact same silence/face in all spots/pots. I just don't get it. What is the benefit long term of replying and speaking when somebody is looking to get a rise/tell/anything out of you?

I agree with you. I have an occasional friendly game with buddies I've known for 20 years and that tends to be a little more talkative. But in a different way. Example:

Player A: If I fold will you show?
Player B: No.
Player A: Do you want me to call?
Player B: Fuck you and your family.
Player A: Okay I call.
Player B: *tables the nuts*
 
I agree with you. I have an occasional friendly game with buddies I've known for 20 years and that tends to be a little more talkative. But in a different way. Example:

Player A: If I fold will you show?
Player B: No.
Player A: Do you want me to call?
Player B: Fuck you and your family.
Player A: Okay I call.
Player B: *tables the nuts*
My game:
A: If I fold, will you show.
B: I check
A: Its not your action
B: $100
A: Still not your turn, I check
B: I fold
C: What the hell is going on here?
D: Cool hot dog roller man!
E: Yahtzee!
 
I agree with you. I have an occasional friendly game with buddies I've known for 20 years and that tends to be a little more talkative. But in a different way. Example:

Player A: If I fold will you show?
Player B: No.
Player A: Do you want me to call?
Player B: Fuck you and your family.
Player A: Okay I call.
Player B: *tables the nuts*


LOL this is understandable. Home games with friends are a bit of a different animal in my mind I suppose, but for your typical casino live play I have never understood the benefit of responding to any antics by opponents to get additional info from me.
 
In a casino NL setting

You: "If I show, will you fold?"

Me: sure

You: show

Me: raise $100, Your call..

You: WTF?!!

I also like Doyles appraoch as well

At home game

You: "If I show, will you fold?"

Me: why dont you go get me another beer

I don mind little playful banter though
 
I just watched a Super High Roller Bowl that was recorded last summer. Doyle got into a hand with Esfandiari, and when Antonio started trying to talk him up, Doyle threatened to punch him.
If Doyle doesn't want to talk during hands, then I don't feel bad for it either.

If ever there were four words to describe a true truth of the poker world: "Don't f*** with Doyle."
 
I can't imagine I would even hesitate in saying "turn it over and find out".
 
In a casino NL setting

You: "If I show, will you fold?"

Me: sure

You: show

Me: raise $100, Your call..

You: WTF?!!

Lol, I ask this question when facing a bet from my opponent, I don't actually show my hand, I'm just getting their reaction. It's been like 90% reliable in giving me accurate reads from respondents on how comfortable they are with their hand
 
Interesting. Can you ask the question of the same opponent more than once? Or does it lose its efficacy after the first time?
 
I agree with you. I have an occasional friendly game with buddies I've known for 20 years and that tends to be a little more talkative. But in a different way. Example:

Player A: If I fold will you show?
Player B: No.
Player A: Do you want me to call?
Player B: Fuck you and your family.
Player A: Okay I call.
Player B: *tables the nuts*

Sounds like my home game which is all longtime buddies. And the guy who tables the nuts? He called a huge raise preflop then on every street to hit that runner runner nuts with 2-3 off suit. :mad:

Good times, good times.:)
 
I’ve taken my tournament play up a gear lately, and learned that there’s zero tolerance for this sort of thing in tournament play, at least in the two card rooms I frequent. It sounds odd, but I’ve never noticed before. I’ve always been vaguely aware of the Jamie Gold rule, but I haven’t been a talker, so I hadn’t paid attention to how restrictive the rules are. Recently Its felt natural to take a shot, with little comments like this, when heads up, looking for information, and it gets totally shut down. Which stinks. Zero talking about the hand is allowed.
Is it that strict everywhere?
 
Depends on the room, the dealer and the players. Some you can get away with it, some you can't. I've never been penalized for it, and only do it headsup
 
Really, you're only allowed to do it when the tournament is heads up. Just depends how well it is enforced.
 
Interesting. Can you ask the question of the same opponent more than once? Or does it lose its efficacy after the first time?

Like my mom dropping the F-bomb on us when we weren't getting our chores done. 1st time was motivating...nay, inspiring. 2nd time, we were unimpressed. After all, I was in junior high! :)
 

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