JJ on the cutoff, last hand of the night (1 Viewer)

[bentax1978]

I'm kind of surprised the button didn't call, but there was one more hand. I can see the BB folding. I'm not sure you could have done anything differently that would have resulted in more money in the pot for you to win as I'm pretty sure all action dried up after the flop.

I was actually a bit surprised the button didn't call as well. I specifically mentioned what he said about wanting to flip for his stack before the hand started as this was in my mind when I jammed. I honestly didn't think he was going to fold after calling the $20 raise. He wasn't getting great odds as he's risking $80 to win $215, or $80 to win $295 if the BB calls as well, but given his willingness to flip, I (wrongfully) assumed he would call. I wasn't sure about the BB, but I did think he would fold.

 

[dickzapper]

What's the difference between jam and jelly?

Jam is made from fruit juice and jelly is something else. Apparently proper jelly is strained and jam is not. But when it comes to mass-produced commercial products it's all corn syrup and low tier concentrate slop, prob the same product with a different label most of the time.

I guess to maximize your chips over the long term you shove with JJ. Don't think these players are folding though and I know they have some overcards. Guess it's the age old JJ struggle. Since I'm not expecting them to fold however, I don't see anything wrong with a call and shove post flop if there are no overcards.

Inversely we really don't have to play this hand and I'm smelling a bit of trouble here so... Poker, amirite?

 

[Jimulacrum]

A little late to the party, but jam all day. We're almost certainly ahead of everyone but UTG, and with it being the last hand and players indicating they want gambly action, we can expect at least one call from a weaker hand.

Flatting would be meh. JJ plays much more cleanly all-in preflop. If we call, we'll probably be seeing the flop with one or two active players with a vulnerable hand, and they'll both have enough to bet that we'll have to puke-fold overcard flops.

Also, shoving here creates a somewhat memorable event for our 4-bet range, in case a similar-but-not-really-similar spot happens in the future. Showing down JJ after this move could buy us a loose call or five when we do the same with AA.

 

[pltrgyst]

These are exactly the same chips (with a different decal) that I play with every Sunday night....

There are downtown casinos off Fremont St. using those same chips with their own labels...

 

[pltrgyst]

Jam is made from fruit juice and jelly is something else....

No. Jam is made from fruit pulp and fruit juice; jelly is made from only juice.

 

[bentax1978]

Figured I'd google the "What's the difference between jelly and jam". No harm in that, right?

Apparently I violated the first rule of googling when I went beyond the first page of results.

Spoiler

I can't jelly my dick up your ass.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Figured I'd google the "What's the difference between jelly and jam". No harm in that, right?

Apparently I violated the first rule of googling when I went beyond the first page of results.

Spoiler

I can't jelly my dick up your ass.

That's what I was going for

 

[bentax1978]

That's what I was going for

Shit. Had I seen your original post (which is on the first page now), I would have just replied to your quote and answered the question instead of going through the whole pretense about finding the answer out via google's second page of search results.

 

[dickzapper]

While we're talkin bout ingredients, I wanna warn y'all about "natural flavors." I've heard natural raspberry flavor is

Spoiler

an extract from a beaver's anal gland.

No playin. May be an ingorance is bliss scenario.

 

[bentax1978]

While we're talkin bout ingredients, I wanna warn y'all about "natural flavors." I've heard natural raspberry flavor is

Spoiler

an extract from a beaver's anal gland.

No playin. May be an ingorance is bliss scenario.

Spoiler

 

[bentax1978]

It's good to know I can derail my own threads just as well as I derail other people's threads

Back to poker.

A little late to the party, but jam all day. We're almost certainly ahead of everyone but UTG, and with it being the last hand and players indicating they want gambly action, we can expect at least one call from a weaker hand.

As I mentioned somewhere before the comments about pizza and beaver anus extract, I really thought given the stack sizes, and the fact that it was likely the last opportunity of the night to "double up or go home", that I would have received at least one call after my jam.

Flatting would be meh. JJ plays much more cleanly all-in preflop. If we call, we'll probably be seeing the flop with one or two active players with a vulnerable hand, and they'll both have enough to bet that we'll have to puke-fold overcard flops.

Agreed. Chances are I don't get another chip from either of the remaining active players unless I'm beat. So had I decided to flat call, and neither of them jammed preflop after my flat call, I would have potentially made another $27 or $54, but at the risk of one of them out-flopping me with an over-card or a potential set. Doesn't seem like it was worth it to flat call given that there aren't many flops where they'e going to be willing to put more chips in and where they are still behind.

Also, shoving here creates a somewhat memorable event for our 4-bet range, in case a similar-but-not-really-similar spot happens in the future. Showing down JJ after this move could buy us a loose call or five when we do the same with AA.

I agree in general, but in this case I don't think anyone at that table will look back that this hand as anything more than "AA vs JJ, of course they got it all in preflop shorthanded at the end of the night".

 

[Mr Tree]

It's good to know I can derail my own threads just as well as I derail other people's threads

Back to poker.



As I mentioned somewhere before the comments about pizza and beaver anus extract, I really thought given the stack sizes, and the fact that it was likely the last opportunity of the night to "double up or go home", that I would have received at least one call after my jam.



Agreed. Chances are I don't get another chip from either of the remaining active players unless I'm beat. So had I decided to flat call, and neither of them jammed preflop after my flat call, I would have potentially made another $27 or $54, but at the risk of one of them out-flopping me with an over-card or a potential set. Doesn't seem like it was worth it to flat call given that there aren't many flops where they'e going to be willing to put more chips in and where they are still behind.



I agree in general, but in this case I don't think anyone at that table will look back that this hand as anything more than "AA vs JJ, of course they got it all in preflop shorthanded at the end of the night".

I stand by what I said earlier. With the shallow stacks I think a lot of hands you crush

88-1010...maybe A10 or AJ

Might find a call. Maybe even some smaller pairs if they are feeling the gamboool.

 

[bentax1978]

I stand by what I said earlier. With the shallow stacks I think a lot of hands you crush

88-1010...maybe A10 or AJ

Might find a call. Maybe even some smaller pairs if they are feeling the gamboool.

I should have asked what they had after the hand, at the time I wasn't curious as I was more focused and disappointed to see the AA flipped over by the all-in short stack.

I have a feeling the button, who I thought had more gambol in him, had a pretty weak hand, just small to medium suited connectors. I think he would have called with anything in the 88-TT range as he might have thought I was pushing with something like AK/AQ. I think he can find a fold with AT or AJ, but it's hard to say since I only played with him one night and it was one of the last hands of the night. FWIW, the button was the previous chip leader at the table, and was up a bit over $300 at once point. He had leaked most of it away over the past hour to hour and a half before this hand.

I have no regrets about pushing with the JJ, and the fact that I ran into AA against the short stack didn't bother me at all. Like I said earlier, I was actually happy it was him who had the AA, and not one of the (relatively) bigger stacks.