SOLD Lake Elsinore / Sahara Dunes Sale Thread (6 Viewers)

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

This video could also apply to the Robbi Jade Lew call on the Hustler Live Stream.

I'd say this is a better representation of the Robbi situation.

 

[chipinla]

I'd say this is a better representation of the Robbi situation.

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[Carnth]

One week from now.

 

[buffalojim]

Here’s my best guess for the $4
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Interesting, I thought they were orange all this time.

 

[harrysallout]

Interesting, I thought they were orange all this time.

Same here. Had no clue they were red

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

Interesting, I thought they were orange all this time.

Same here. Had no clue they were red

 

[Carnth]

I hope this will help.
Here's the "red" 4 surrounded by other red chips.

 

[upNdown]

I hope this will help.
Here's the "red" 4 surrounded by other red chips.

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Well that’s red. Who knew?

 

[Split]

The daisy and black edgespots made them look orange to me as well, but comparing them to color samples they are definitely red. However, I don't think they are cherry. I think they are royal red.

Here's a pic of them taken with a flash in a room illuminated by a 2700k LED with ~83 CRI. Bulbs with CRIs that low will tend to be poor at reds, but I suspect the flash compensates since it is much brighter than the room lighting. In this pic, cherry looks life a decent match, although I'm leaning towards a dirty royal red:

This next pic is taken with the room light still on, the flash still on, but I added a UV light as well. In this pic, royal red looks like a pretty good match:

In this final pic, I turned off the room light and the flash, so this is what it looks like under UV light. Royal red is the definite winner in this shot:

We know that the clay formulas have been adjusted before (e.g. lead reduction and removal), and with some BCC chips I've even seen the "same" color fluoresce on some chips and not others within the same set. I hadn't noticed a color difference before in those chips, so the clay can be a close match even when the fluorescing ingredient is removed. However, I think the preponderance of evidence suggests that the $4 chip is royal red.

I haven't compared any other chips or spots to color samples, and it mostly seems unnecessary since @Gear's photos look pretty good to me. I only looked into this chip because it captured my fancy and I was surprised to see that it's a red. However, if anyone wants some other chips compared to color samples, please let me know and I'm happy to oblige.

 

[CDC]

The daisy and black edgespots made them look orange to me as well, but comparing them to color samples they are definitely red. However, I don't think they are cherry. I think they are royal red.

Here's a pic of them taken with a flash in a room illuminated by a 2700k LED with ~83 CRI. Bulbs with CRIs that low will tend to be poor at reds, but I suspect the flash compensates since it is much brighter than the room lighting. In this pic, cherry looks life a decent match, although I'm leaning towards a dirty royal red:

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This next pic is taken with the room light still on, the flash still on, but I added a UV light as well. In this pic, royal red looks like a pretty good match:

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In this final pic, I turned off the room light and the flash, so this is what it looks like under UV light. Royal red is the definite winner in this shot:

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We know that the clay formulas have been adjusted before (e.g. lead reduction and removal), and with some BCC chips I've even seen the "same" color fluoresce on some chips and not others within the same set. I hadn't noticed a color difference before in those chips, so the clay can be a close match even when the fluorescing ingredient is removed. However, I think the preponderance of evidence suggests that the $4 chip is royal red.

I haven't compared any other chips or spots to color samples, and it mostly seems unnecessary since @Gear's photos look pretty good to me. I only looked into this chip because it captured my fancy and I was surprised to see that it's a red. However, if anyone wants some other chips compared to color samples, please let me know and I'm happy to oblige.

@Ben8257 maybe you can help compare them with the Nugget $5s?
Base and spots looks like exactly the same to me.

 

[mburnznj]

The sample that I have seems more of a "tomato" color, if Paulson ever made that color. It does have lots of red but it also seems to have a slight orange pigment mixed in as well giving it that color. Still a pretty chip though.

 

[bernielomax]

Can anyone provide a picture of a Lake Elsinore $4 next to a cherry Empress Star 5? Thanks

 

[buffalojim]

The daisy and black edgespots made them look orange to me as well, but comparing them to color samples they are definitely red. However, I don't think they are cherry. I think they are royal red.

Here's a pic of them taken with a flash in a room illuminated by a 2700k LED with ~83 CRI. Bulbs with CRIs that low will tend to be poor at reds, but I suspect the flash compensates since it is much brighter than the room lighting. In this pic, cherry looks life a decent match, although I'm leaning towards a dirty royal red:

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This next pic is taken with the room light still on, the flash still on, but I added a UV light as well. In this pic, royal red looks like a pretty good match:

View attachment 998157

In this final pic, I turned off the room light and the flash, so this is what it looks like under UV light. Royal red is the definite winner in this shot:

View attachment 998158

We know that the clay formulas have been adjusted before (e.g. lead reduction and removal), and with some BCC chips I've even seen the "same" color fluoresce on some chips and not others within the same set. I hadn't noticed a color difference before in those chips, so the clay can be a close match even when the fluorescing ingredient is removed. However, I think the preponderance of evidence suggests that the $4 chip is royal red.

I haven't compared any other chips or spots to color samples, and it mostly seems unnecessary since @Gear's photos look pretty good to me. I only looked into this chip because it captured my fancy and I was surprised to see that it's a red. However, if anyone wants some other chips compared to color samples, please let me know and I'm happy to oblige.

Love the sciencing!

 

[Gubbins]

Newb here, keen interest in this style of sale.

However I’m UK based. What’s the delivery like on these to UK, for a barrel or a rack, if you don’t mind me asking?

While I’m asking, where does it say what kind of chip these are by the way (I may be blind) I.e, if they are apaches or Paulson etc

Thanks guys

Newb here, keen interest in this style of sale.

However I’m UK based. What’s the delivery like on these to UK, for a barrel or a rack, if you don’t mind me asking?

While I’m asking, where does it say what kind of chip these are by the way (I may be blind) I.e, if they are apaches or Paulson etc

Thanks guys

Apologies just realised the proof is in the thread title. Can you tell me what these chips feel like, are they a clay compound? What can they be compared to?

 

[mburnznj]

These chips are clay casino chips, the real deal.

 

[lewan]

@Gubbins they are better than any of the junk chips you will find in a UK casino. i will tell you that.

 

[Carnth]

Apologies just realised the proof is in the thread title. Can you tell me what these chips feel like, are they a clay compound? What can they be compared to?

As others have stated, these are official Paulson chips used in a casino. Although it's not official stated anywhere, but you can tell by the "Top Hat and Cane" mold of the chip (the hat and cane "logo" around the rim of the chip. Zoom in on the photos to see them).

Paulsons are used in most American casinos. I can't speak for European casinos, as I never been (it's on my bucket list). However, I think these are way better in looks and feel than ceramics and plastics. I also think Paulson chips are easier to stack in barrels as they tend to be less slippery than plastic and ceramic.

If you already have other chips and got them from people in this forum, they just might be Paulson, just look for the hats and canes.

Because these are clay and made of a porous materials, they tend to collect dirt and grime and even the smells (cigarette smoke) from the casino they came from. If you buy, keep this in mind when handling them.

I hope your plan to buy. The chips priced below $1 will be worn down, but still usable. And they are a great value for new collectors.

 

[Gubbins]

As others have stated, these are official Paulson chips used in a casino. Although it's not official stated anywhere, but you can tell by the "Top Hat and Cane" mold of the chip (the hat and cane "logo" around the rim of the chip. Zoom in on the photos to see them).

Paulsons are used in most American casinos. I can't speak for European casinos, as I never been (it's on my bucket list). However, I think these are way better in looks and feel than ceramics and plastics. I also think Paulson chips are easier to stack in barrels as they tend to be less slippery than plastic and ceramic.

If you already have other chips and got them from people in this forum, they just might be Paulson, just look for the hats and canes.

Because these are clay and made of a porous materials, they tend to collect dirt and grime and even the smells (cigarette smoke) from the casino they came from. If you buy, keep this in mind when handling them.

I hope your plan to buy. The chips priced below $1 will be worn down, but still usable. And they are a great value for new collectors.

Yes, these are precisely what I’m looking for. Used but high quality chips. I’m building my first collection but would prefer to skip to mid-range as I would end up upgrading anyway. I don’t mind a bit of character on the chips, if they feel good.

The only question I have is how much the shipping costs on average to the UK? For a rack or less.

I’m worried it will cost more than the chips themselves.

 

[RichMahogany]

Yes, these are precisely what I’m looking for. Used but high quality chips. I’m building my first collection but would prefer to skip to mid-range as I would end up upgrading anyway. I don’t mind a bit of character on the chips, if they feel good.

The only question I have is how much the shipping costs on average to the UK? For a rack or less.

I’m worried it will cost more than the chips themselves.

You’re not going to get used compression clay heavyweight THC chips for much cheaper than this. If you want them, buy as much as you can to make shipping costs some what negligible

 

[Carnth]

The only question I have is how much the shipping costs on average to the UK? For a rack or less.

I’m worried it will cost more than the chips themselves.

As far as I remember, Jim does indeed ship internationally. Either someone outside of the USA who has bought before can give an estimate, or Jim from @TheChipRoom can answer for you.

If you want to research for yourself, Jim ships via the US Postal Service. https://www.usps.com/
You can go there and input the addresses
From: Centerville, UT - Zipcode: 84104
TO: where ever you live

Then estimate about 9 - 10 grams per chip.

 

[Gubbins]

You’re not going to get used compression clay heavyweight THC chips for much cheaper than this. If you want them, but as much as you can to make shipping costs some what negligible

I was thinking this might be the case, thank you for the insight.

 

[Gubbins]

As far as I remember, Jim does indeed ship internationally. Either someone outside of the USA who has bought before can give an estimate, or Jim from @TheChipRoom can answer for you.

If you want to research for yourself, Jim ships via the US Postal Service. https://www.usps.com/
You can go there and input the addresses
From: Centerville, UT - Zipcode: 84104
TO: where ever you live

Then estimate about 9 - 10 grams per chip.

Thank you for the tip. I will bear that in mind when ordering.

And sorry for multiquote.

 

[lewan]

The only question I have is how much the shipping costs on average to the UK? For a rack or less.

I’m worried it will cost more than the chips themselves.

50-150 chips = $42
150-850 chips = $84

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Yes, these are precisely what I’m looking for. Used but high quality chips. I’m building my first collection but would prefer to skip to mid-range as I would end up upgrading anyway. I don’t mind a bit of character on the chips, if they feel good.

The only question I have is how much the shipping costs on average to the UK? For a rack or less.

I’m worried it will cost more than the chips themselves.

50-150 chips = $42
150-850 chips = $84

Solution: Buy 8 racks instead of 1. Then shipping is only 10 cents a chip!

 

[LeGold]

Thank you for the tip. I will bear that in mind when ordering.

Also, remember that Heris Majesty's Revenue & Customs will want their share.

 

[lewan]

Also, remember that Heris Majesty's Revenue & Customs will want their share.

Luckily Jim is usually very accommodating with the customs fees. I ordered 2 tournament sets and he only marked the total value as $30/set on the form.

 

[Johnblue]

Holy cow.

 

[12thMan]

Luckily Jim is usually very accommodating with the customs fees. I ordered 2 tournament sets and he only marked the total value as $30/set on the form.

Cool cool. Also: shhhhhh

 

[PhillyB]

I ordered two sample sets, so my sample size is extremely small, but I've made some observations that may be relevant to those considering a purchase. I'll cover my observations per denomination:

$1 THC: The two THC chips I received are extremely worn and weigh 8.4-8.7 grams. The THC chips do not have UV security features, and they have the oversized textured inlays.
$1 RHC: The RHC chips weigh 9.3-9.5 grams, have UV security features, and have smooth inlays.
$2: 9.4-9.5 grams, no UV security features, textured hex inlays.
$3: 8.6-8.8 grams, UV security features, possible (but inconsequential) inlay printing differences, smooth inlays.
$4: 8.9-8.9 grams, UV security features, smooth inlays.
$5: This is where it starts to get interesting. My heavily worn $5 comes in at 9.2 grams, and has no UV security features. My less worn $5 weighs 9.3 grams, and has UV security features. The inlay on the less worn $5 is slightly smaller, with slightly bolder printing. Both have textured inlays.
$10: 9.9-9.9 grams, no UV security features, smooth inlays.
$25: Another interesting one. My heavily worn $25 comes in at 9.7 grams while the less worn chip weights 8.4 grams. The heavily worn chips has no UV security features, while the less worn chip has UV security. The printing on the less worn chip is bolder than the more worn chip. Both have textured inlays.
$100: This one is also interesting. The more worn chip weighs 10.6 grams while the less worn chip weighs 9.3 grams. The more worn chip has a larger inlay, while the less worn chip has bolder printing on the inlay. Neither chip has UV security features. The white clay of the less worn $100 glows somewhat under UV light, while the white clay of the more worn $100 does not. Both have textured inlays.
$500: 9.3-9.5 grams, no UV security features, smooth inlays.

While I am no expert in telling which chips are leaded and which are not, it seems almost certain that there are at least two different orders of the $25 and $100 chips, with the better condition chips weighing noticeably less. The $5 may or may not be in the same boat. My heavily worn $5 is more worn than the $1 chips. When I say heavily worn, I mean parts of the outer ring have worn completely away. This chip probably started life as a heavier chip. For what it's worth, my hotstamped Sahara Dunes $5 is in good condition and weighs 10.4 grams. If I had to guess, the $5, $25, and $100 chips are likely a mix of leaded and unleaded, with the better condition chips tending to be unleaded. $1 THC are probably leaded, while the $1 RHC, $3, $4, $10, and $500 chips are probably unleaded. I’m not sure what to make of the shaped inlay $2.

I should stress that this is an insignificant sample size using a cheap scale, so the data may be inaccurate. If others can corroborate or refute my observations, then we may gain a better understanding of these chips.

If anyone is interested in finding out if their sets of Paulson/TRK chips are leaded or not, you can purchase lead test swabs from Amazon, 3m or Vansful etc.

Wash, scrub and dry a used sample chip, get sand paper(600 and up if you don’t want to ruin chip or lower grit if it’s a waste chip and you don’t care) and rub the sandpaper with the side of the chip a bit, then swab the sandpaper and you’ll know if it does or not, 3m turns red, Vansful turns red after dipping in water and turns purple when it’s swabbed and lead is detected. Color change will be quick with higher levels, slower change will be lesser levels.

Original leaded chips contain 60-40% lead oxide and carbonate(color depending percentage), post 1998 revised leaded chips contained 10-6% for most colors and some colors original leaded until 2005, post 2007 contained .5% and eventually 2011 and on contained none.

Leaded chips are the best chips to play with by feel, durability and weight IMO and most people who collect agree, even the really used chips. I can tell by just playing with them due to experience but do this if you can’t tell which is what or just interested in finding out.
Also some people may have a concern about lead, to those who may have a concern, I have to be tested for lead levels in my blood every 6 months and I pass with normal low levels(everyone has lead in their blood) each time and I touch leaded chips everyday, so enjoy and good luck in the sale.

 

[OfficerLovejoy]

Before anybody starts to ruin their historic chips with sandpaper or other machinery to find out if a chip is leaded or not: ask on PCF first.
There's always someone on here who knows the complete history of a casino and their chips in (sometimes excruciating) detail.