Tourney Misclick bet ruling (from WSOP) (4 Viewers)

[ArielVer18]

Call. “two hundred fifty thousand” is an undercall. It doesn't have any other meaning. What he does afterward should be irrelevant since modern tournament poker rules does not consider "intent" anymore.

If he left out the word "thousand" and only said "two hundred fifty," maybe WSOP Rule 60 might apply since in some non-English languages "two hundred fifty myriad" means 2,500,000. However, I still think it'll still be ruled call since 2.5m exceeds the size of the pot.

Rule 60. Non-Standard and Unclear Betting: Participants use unofficial betting terms and gestures at their own risk. Whenever the size of a declared bet can reasonably have multiple meanings, the bet will be valued at the largest amount possible that does not exceed the value of the pot. Example: Blinds are 200-400 and the first player to act on the flop throws out a 5K chip and announces “Five”. If the amount of the pot at this time is less than 5,000, the bet will be 500. If the amount of the pot is 5K or more, the bet will be 5,000.

Rule 93.f.2. A player undercalls by declaring or pushing out less than the call amount without first declaring “call”.

I don't have pokergo. What was the ruling?

 

[upNdown]

Call. “two hundred fifty thousand” is an undercall. It doesn't have any other meaning. What he does afterward should be irrelevant since modern tournament poker rules does not consider "intent" anymore.

If he left out the word "thousand" and only said "two hundred fifty," maybe WSOP Rule 60 might apply since in some non-English languages "two hundred fifty myriad" means 2,500,000. However, I still think it'll still be ruled call since 2.5m exceeds the size of the pot.



I don't have pokergo. What was the ruling?

2.5 million

Floor didn’t cite any particular rule, but he ruled it a raise to 2.5 million, saying something to the effect that it was the only thing the player could have intended to do.

 

[JustinInMN]

2.5 million

Floor didn’t cite any particular rule, but he ruled it a raise to 2.5 million, saying something to the effect that it was the only thing the player could have intended to do.

As I said above, I am okay with that provided no other player acted. I understand many others disagree on this thread, but to me, if the mistake is infrequent (meaning not a pattern of angle shooting), and correctable, without damaging anyone, it's seems to me in the best interest of the game to allow the correction.

When it's not possible (action causes a fold or other calls) then I get the stricter ruling must always apply.

And I wouldn't have a problem with the stricter ruling either. It's just my preference to be consistent with the intention whenever possible.

 

[Natskule]

I just don't see it as a big deal, he corrected himself before anyone else did anything and it was obvious what he was doing. Saying two hundred fifty thousand and pushing out 2.5 million when the blind is 400,000 is obviously a raise. Does anyone state the amount when they are limping? He obviously misspoke. Now if his misstatement was a legal raise, then he would have to stick with it, but it was nonsensical and it was easy to see what he was doing with the chips that he pushed out.

 

[MC_CPA]

Howdy friends, if blinds are say 25 50 and someone makes it 500, and the next guy over says "raise 800" and puts in 800, is it a mandatory minraise to 950 automatically enforced or does the player who put in 800 have the option to leave the 800 in the pot and fold?

I can't see how it's ever a call.

Or am I just making stuff up?

 

[Machine]

Howdy friends, if blinds are say 25 50 and someone makes it 500, and the next guy over says "raise 800" and puts in 800, is it a mandatory minraise to 950 automatically enforced or does the player who put in 800 have the option to leave the 800 in the pot and fold?

I can't see how it's ever a call.

Or am I just making stuff up?

You used quotes in your question I will infer that the player verbalized his raise. Depending on how he said raise 800 that would imply 500 + 800 and I would ask to clarify, after which I would explain min raise is 950, and he can fold after the proper raise was put in the pot.

Raise supersedes the value until the min value is surpassed.

Also if he didn’t say anything and pushed in 800 it’s a min raise as well

 

[MC_CPA]

Thanks! Got it. For some reason I thought there was an "I only want to put in 800 and no more, Im okay with surrendering the pot in lieu of having to put another 150 in".

 

[upNdown]

Howdy friends, if blinds are say 25 50 and someone makes it 500, and the next guy over says "raise 800" and puts in 800, is it a mandatory minraise to 950 automatically enforced or does the player who put in 800 have the option to leave the 800 in the pot and fold?

I can't see how it's ever a call.

Or am I just making stuff up?

I’ve certainly seen people being allowed to abandon their illegal bet and fold, instead of adding more chips to make the bet legal. I’ve seen it many times. As to whether that’s an actual provision in the TDA rules, I’m not sure.

 

[Rakrul]

I would just ask what he intended to do. He might've misunderstood the raise amount and thought it was raised to two hundred. I would then allow him to do whatever he wanted. I don't see any downside to it but I'm talking about home game.