Mixed Games? Help with blinds/antes/limits (4 Viewers)

[SteveEH]

This is a good point, for the new games (especially the new stud games) I’m definitely going to be playing fixed limits. PROBABLY going to start at .50/1 limit for studs games so it’ll stay reasonably small while we adjust to it which seems about in line for our $50 max buy in. May bump it to 1/2 limit if it’s playing too small

From my experience, this is a good plan.

We used to play .25/.25 no limit. We moved to .50/1 fixed limit, and since then have moved to 1/2 fixed limit. Players bring $60 for the night (about 5 hours). We do a forced rotation:

Honestly $60 is cutting it close for the night (although no one has had to rebuy yet). If we introduce split pot/circus games I should probably cut back to .75/1.50 fixed limit.

Note my bet cap is 3 not 4.

 

[allforcharity]

From my experience, this is a good plan.

We used to play .25/.25 no limit. We moved to .50/1 fixed limit, and since then have moved to 1/2 fixed limit. Players bring $60 for the night (about 5 hours). We do a forced rotation:

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Honestly $60 is cutting it close for the night (although no one has had to rebuy yet). If we introduce split pot/circus games I should probably cut back to .75/1.50 fixed limit.

Note my bet cap is 3 not 4.

You're only missing 7Stud HL8 to complete the HORSE! (or HOSER in Canada)

 

[SteveEH]

You're only missing 7Stud HL8 to complete the HORSE! (or HOSER in Canada)

That's the next step I'll be easing them into for split pot games...

 

[mconn116]

Thinking of maybe adding more game so we have 4 new games to choose from including our usual nlhe. Right now I’m planning on crazy pineapple, 5 stud, and low chicago
Would other option would y’all choose from either plo, Omaha hi/lo, plo8, or 7 stud hl8?
I’ve played plo but but the others would be new to me as well

On another note forgive my general noobness: what is horse?

 

[JustinInMN]

Thinking of maybe adding more game so we have 4 new games to choose from including our usual nlhe. Right now I’m planning on crazy pineapple, 5 stud, and low chicago
Would other option would y’all choose from either plo, Omaha hi/lo, plo8, or 7 stud hl8?
I’ve played plo but but the others would be new to me as well

On another note forgive my general noobness: what is horse?

Based on what you have said about your group...

Omaha hl8 > 7 stud hl8 >>> plo >>>>>>>>> plo8.

Plo8 will bust newbs quickly and cause hard feelings. Plo8 players should be really experienced with limit o8 first.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Thinking of maybe adding more game so we have 4 new games to choose from including our usual nlhe. Right now I’m planning on crazy pineapple, 5 stud, and low chicago
Would other option would y’all choose from either plo, Omaha hi/lo, plo8, or 7 stud hl8?
I’ve played plo but but the others would be new to me as well

On another note forgive my general noobness: what is horse?

HORSE:
Hold 'Em
Omaha
Razz
7-Card Stud Hi
7-Card Stud 8orbetter ("eight" lol)

 

[BPB]

I like dealers choice round of each. So if I pick it, everyone deals 7 card stud, then when it gets to the guy to my left again they pick a game. This allows people to get used to a game instead of having to explain new rules every hand. Repetition helps shore up understanding.

I did it where we had a list of games, and each player picked one, wrote it down and put it in a box. We would pick one out and played a round of it.

 

[mconn116]

I did it where we had a list of games, and each player picked one, wrote it down and put it in a box. We would pick one out and played a round of it.

That’s another idea, I feel like something interactive is cool. This past game was a bit of a mess, no one really looked at the game cards I sent them in advance and the guys “who have played stud games before” were completely lost. Gonna have to ease in to the mixed games slowly with this group I guess. Crazy pineapple was a hit though we played lots of that so it’s a start I guess.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I did it where we had a list of games, and each player picked one, wrote it down and put it in a box. We would pick one out and played a round of it.

100% chance one of my apes writes "your mom", I cannot trust them with anonymity.

 

[SavageLizard]

Recently moved and started a new game here. We do $100 buy-in. $75 of that is for a dealer's choice style game with either .50/1.00 blinds, or a .50 ante depending on which game gets called. $1-$3 spread betting. Players can reload as much as they like. We do that for about three hours and then cash everyone out.

Then we start a single table NLHE freezeout tournament with the remaining $25 from the buy-in. Of that $20 goes into the pot for the top three, the remaining $5 is a bounty on each player. Once players get eliminated from the tournament they can call it a night or stick around to watch.

Evening usually goes 5-6 hours. Seems to be a good time so far. We get to play a wide variety of games with betting that doesn't hammer people too much if they are going bad. And then the tournament lets people throw chips around and get some no limit style action. Winning players aren't going to get rich, but can leave with some money and nobody gets beat down too hard in losses.

 

[OKYJJ]

5 card stud is a fun one, I like it because it makes older fish feel at home lol, rather they feel comfortable.

Sounds fun, good luck! I wouldnt overcomplicate the blinds/bringins/antes. If your NLHE limits is .10/.25, I like making the ante atleast .50 if not $1. Its a slower game with less big swings, fine to build a pot on 3rd street. This usually makes the NL people happier because they're not limited to a relatively small BB.

In this post are you talking about .50 or $1 ante per player? Or a single dealer button ante?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

In this post are you talking about .50 or $1 ante per player? Or a single dealer button ante?

Good catch; in our game it was a 50c per player. More just a product of it being a super soft game with only 50c/1/5s on the table.

 

[OKYJJ]

I thought that’s what you meant, but it just seemed high compared to the blinds. 8 players that would be $4, compared to only $1 big blinds or $1.5 total blinds.

There are so many different ways to do it. Looks like you use high antes and I use low for about the same stakes.

I “grew up” playing nickel ante stud, draw, and guts type games, 50c spread limit, which apparently today is called “Old Man Poker.” Then when we introduced Holdem, cause that’s what everyone was playing on TV, I think we used 5c / 10c blinds and kept the 50c spread limit.

Lately I have launched a project to teach more local players to play mixed games like us old men, and not just NLH. The main thing for people to get used to is the “small bet” aspect, not being able to push people around much. I like more of a spread in the spread limit at least, like nickel ante to $1 or $2 limit. But the thing that always used to slow games down the most (one of the things anyway) was figuring out who had anted and who hadn’t. So I like the “button ante” option to fix that.

Lately I have been doing the following:

Stud games: 4 chip Button ante (which is either 20c or 40c depending which table you are at), 2 chip bring-in (10c or 20c), spread limit of $1 or $2.

Draw games: 6 chip Button ante (which is 30c or 60c). Same spread limits of $1 or $2.

Flop games: 2 chip / 4 chip blinds, so either 10c/20c or 20c/40c. Same spread limits of $1 or $2.

That seems to be working pretty well. What it does is basically equalizes the amount of pre-decision money up for grabs in any game. We could still call a higher ante for games with few rounds like 5 card draw.

We call a game and then play a whole orbit +1 of it, unless it has multiple rounds built in.

One issue I ran into though is when we switch from ante games to blind games, the player 2 left from the Dealer gets stuck with 2 BBs for the orbit without having any choice in the matter. One person complained about it. I’m thinking about a rule where the dealer pays for or splits the cost of the first BB in that situation. But on the other hand, it’s kind of like a straddle, which is a privilege people pay for in serious games, so it’s not really that big a deal. It’s about perception though in home games, keeping people having a good time.

 

[drdr]

A lot of excitement to pump in the many game types. My players preferred slowly introducing games. For them new games were introduced via cash game after the tournament for those who busted early. If a group likes diving in to a range of games quick, that's fine too.

 

[SavageLizard]

Lately I have launched a project to teach more local players to play mixed games like us old men, and not just NLH.

I like it! That's what we do, and a tournament at the end to satisfy the people who want to play hold'em and go all in. I think it's great to play a mixture of games and have to think a little bit differently than the standard shit people play all teh time.

 

[BPB]

100% chance one of my apes writes "your mom", I cannot trust them with anonymity.

Did not have that happen to me, my father played in this game and I kid you not wrote down “pot limit follow the queen” apparently it’s 7CS with wild cards. We did a round of it but we did not play it pot limit lol

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Did not have that happen to me, my father played in this game and I kid you not wrote down “pot limit follow the queen” apparently it’s 7CS with wild cards. We did a round of it but we did not play it pot limit lol

My father taught the same game, some wild swings

 

[Labrat]

Did not have that happen to me, my father played in this game and I kid you not wrote down “pot limit follow the queen” apparently it’s 7CS with wild cards. We did a round of it but we did not play it pot limit lol

I grew up on that game but we played Queen of Spades kills it. lol

 

[TopSchelph]

I grew up on that game but we played Queen of Spades kills it. lol

That would be “Black Moriah” as we used to call it.

 

[Nine_high]

Did not have that happen to me, my father played in this game and I kid you not wrote down “pot limit follow the queen” apparently it’s 7CS with wild cards. We did a round of it but we did not play it pot limit lol

A game I used to play in they played this no limit. So bad!

 

[BPB]

My father taught the same game, some wild swings

As he was an explaining this to me I looked at everyone and said “yeah we are not playing this pot limit.” 5 betting rounds or pot limit stud cash game would have been over and this was the 3rd game of 8 in the box. Two people wrote down PLO8 but the game was down to 5 handed at that point