PAHWM - $1/$3 NL @ Resorts World - KdJd UTG (1 Viewer)

[Legend5555]

So I have a bunch of hands from my trip. A mix of cash and tourney. I'll start off with this one which is a cash game hand. Resorts World is nice as it's 10% max $5 rake with no jackpot drop. They also auto reduce rake at 5 handed, and play 8-max.

Resorts World
$1/$3 w/ $400 cap 8-handed

Villain in BB $220 -
White Female, late 40s to early mid 50s. Bought in for $100. Playing very straightforward thus far. Have seen her lead out on multiple occasions even when she did not have the betting lead. Never seen her raise pre flop. Only been at the table for about an hour. Quiet and keeping to herself.

HERO LJ $975 (covers table) -
Has been running hot. Had several big hands at beginning of session and got paid. Shown down many winners. Made one big bluff that no one saw. Winning image. At table for around 3 hours. Had been chatting some with neighbors at the table, but generally not driving the conversation.

Game is currently 7-handed.

UTG straddle to $6.
HERO raises to $20 LJ with
CO calls.
B calls.
VILLAIN (BB) calls.

Pot: $83 after rake
Eff stack: $200
Flop:

VILLAIN leads for $40.

HERO?

Edited after finding my notes.

 

[Legend5555]

Please don't comment yet. I found my notes and realized I screwed this up.

 

[pnwpoker8]

Disclaimer: I’m effectively breakeven at 1/3 and a slight winner in 5NL/10NL. Here are my thoughts -

One word answer: Call/Fold (fold ~70%)

Hero RFI UTG in theory is a tight range. The live 1/3 player pool loves to over call with loose ranges. I also noticed players of this villain’s archetype (tight, short stacking) have uncapped ranges. I would not be surprised if V has JJ+ in their range here. That being said, there aren’t that many bluffs on this board which leads me to believe V is repping top pair good kicker or better. You have 4 people to act after you, so the best case scenario you could hope for is calling and hoping it goes heads up. Raising seems to be overplaying your hand. Turn SPR would be shallow and there aren’t that many cards that you would love to fist-pump get it in vs. a V shove.

Being multi-way, I don’t think folding KJ most of the time here is too exploitable.


Edit: original response was for V leading ~pot size into 4 opponents. In the edited scenario, V leads 1/2 pot into 3 opponents. since pot odds are better, position is better (HJ instead of UTG) and 1 less opponent multi-way, I could see a stronger case for calling and proceeding with caution.

 

[Servo]

I was thinking raise until I read pnw’s response— makes some good points. Maybe I’m just playing loose with someone else’s stack, lol.

 

[kirchhausen]

think this is a call here. Let’s see what happens

 

[Senzrock]

If we agree that folding is out of the question, then it’s between call & raise. I think given that SPR is 1 to 1 if we just call (allowing the others to get in cheap), we should just raise/get it in now. Annoying spot if someone does have the KQ/77 but we just can’t fold KJ here as played and calling seems to set up some nightmare scenarios for us on the turn. Is villain really leading with KQ/77? I think way more likely that it’s KT/K9 or JT with the backdoor etc. Get it in now and hope we continue to run good!

 

[Legend5555]

The players behind me have north of $300. One I think I remember having about $500. Only the main villain is short.

 

[Senzrock]

The players behind me have north of $300. One I think I remember having about $500. Only the main villain is short.

Gotcha, only saw villains stack. I’m probably making it $125.

 

[boltonguy]

I have a hard time believing that V would be leading here into multiple players with less than TP and there are many hands in a passive player’s range that have us crushed here. Let’s exclude KK so V could have AK, QQ, KQ, 77. Maybe TP bad kicker with a draw. So if we’re ahead we’re only slightly ahead and if we’re behind we’re either crushed or drawing to few outs and not to the nuts; I’m not convinced a K will help us if we’re outkicked and there are 3 J but even the we lose to many of those above hands. So I think we’re bluff catching here and I am never raising. We also have players to act behind us. With no draw, multi-way, players behind, facing a donk, bluff catching this is 50% fold / 50% call imho. I’d call once knowing that I’m not likely to improve and am likely to be folding to a turn bet.

 

[Legend5555]

Resorts World
$1/$3 w/ $400 cap 8-handed

Villain in BB $220 -
White Female, late 40s to early mid 50s. Bought in for $100. Playing very straightforward thus far. Have seen her lead out on multiple occasions even when she did not have the betting lead. Never seen her raise pre flop. Only been at the table for about an hour. Quiet and keeping to herself.

HERO LJ $975 (covers table) -
Has been running hot. Had several big hands at beginning of session and got paid. Shown down many winners. Made one big bluff that no one saw. Winning image. At table for around 3 hours. Had been chatting some with neighbors at the table, but generally not driving the conversation.

Game is currently 7-handed.

UTG straddle to $6.
HERO raises to $20 LJ with
CO calls.
B calls.
VILLAIN (BB) calls.

Pot: $83 after rake
Eff stack: $200
Flop:

VILLAIN leads for $40.
HERO calls.
CO and B fold.

Pot: $163
Eff stack: $160
Turn:

VILLAIN checks.

HERO?

 

[boltonguy]

I’m X behind here looking to get to SD without growing the pot. V could still be crushing you with hands that lose to the straight imho, and going into X/C mode instead of betting to face a raise. I think you have too much SDV to turn your hand into a bluff. If betting I would go small like 1/4 pot but I would not bet here. None of this may make sense as I don’t play live just 10bl blitz on ACR!

 

[boltonguy]

One thought: if you don’t get raised a small bet here could buy you a turn X from V so you can X behind on the river if you don’t improve. Otherwise you may face a larger river bet to bluff catch.

So a $40 bet now may be your cheapest path to SD and if raised you can fold.

I’m still probably X here though

 

[Senzrock]

Yeah, as played I don't think you can do much more than check behind at this point. We are a bit in no mans land at this point. We don't want to bet/fold. We are now losing to JT if villain was leading with that. I am still guessing she has the KT/K9 type of hand at this point but she could be checking KQ here (just don't think most villains lead top two pair on the flop so discounting those hands slightly).

 

[boltonguy]

I see a reasonable number of Vs donking 2 pair on the flop when draws exist. Just an observation from online. Any very strong hand like TPTK, 2 pair or set may donk there to grow the pot and charge draws.

 

[Senzrock]

I see a reasonable number of Vs donking 2 pair on the flop when draws exist. Just an observation from online. Any very strong hand like TPTK, 2 pair or set may donk there to grow the pot and charge draws.

May donk, sure. But likely? I think usually not. New/low stakes players tend to lean on checking their strong hands, either with the intention of check-raising or trapping. Not saying they never do it, obviously we've all seen it, just less likely imo.

 

[Senzrock]

If we think villain is ever leading flop and then check/folding KQ then this is an auto-jam obviously. A jam here looks incredibly strong. If we were holding KQ, what would we do to this action by the original raiser? Gotta be AK/AQ right?

 

[boltonguy]

Here's a hand from yesterday. I RFI on BN for 3BB. BB calls.

BB flops 2 pair and donks. I call with TP. Turn went X/X.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

In my experience, people who donk bet usually have 1 pair hands. I’m guessing villain has something similar to you, either kj or kt. Either way, the ace hits your range better than hers. I’d lead out for $70 here, and hope she doesn’t have jt (which you block btw).

 

[Legend5555]

In my experience, people who donk bet usually have 1 pair hands. I’m guessing villain has something similar to you, either kj or kt. Either way, the ace hits your range better than hers. I’d lead out for $70 here, and hope she doesn’t have jt (which you block btw).

As a bluff? Or for value? What better is folding or what worse is calling given the action and stack size?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

For value, targeting kj and kt (and any other random suited kings she might be calling with). I mean you could check, but if I'm right, and the board pairs you're likely chopping the pot, and if you hit 2 pair she might have Broadway. Why let her see a card for free when you can either get her off a chop or get thin value?

And if I'm wrong, you're the one who should have all the aa kk and qq in your range, it's possible even if she did flop something like kq she would still fold. I mean that ace is a bad card for her, unless of course she has jt.

 

[Kentucky]

I really want to rip it here for pot size.

I read a fairly wide range from the BB and a “see where I’m at” donk given the half pot sizing. I’m guessing hands like K8, or Q10. The turn check confirms my assumption of weakness, so I go for max pressure. If we get called we have TPGK and outs to improve on the river.

It’s easy to play with your money though.

 

[Legend5555]

It’s easy to play with your money though.

What do you mean by this?

 

[Kentucky]

What do you mean by this?

I really want to rip it, but I’d probably nit up and check behind if it was my money because I’m chicken

 

[Legend5555]

I really want to rip it, but I’d probably nit up and check behind if it was my money because I’m chicken

But do you mean because I'm up I should rip it and if up I shouldn't? Or because I can generally afford it if I lose I should do it?

 

[Kentucky]

But do you mean because I'm up I should rip it and if up I shouldn't? Or because I can generally afford it if I lose I should do it?

I believe it’s the best play, but personally I struggle to execute such “ballsy moves”, despite knowing this.
It’s the High EV, High Variance route.
I’m working on not always taking the lower EV but lower variance path.

 

[Senzrock]

Results @Legend5555 ?

 

[Legend5555]

Resorts World
$1/$3 w/ $400 cap 8-handed

Villain in BB $220 -
White Female, late 40s to early mid 50s. Bought in for $100. Playing very straightforward thus far. Have seen her lead out on multiple occasions even when she did not have the betting lead. Never seen her raise pre flop. Only been at the table for about an hour. Quiet and keeping to herself.

HERO LJ $975 (covers table) -
Has been running hot. Had several big hands at beginning of session and got paid. Shown down many winners. Made one big bluff that no one saw. Winning image. At table for around 3 hours. Had been chatting some with neighbors at the table, but generally not driving the conversation.

Game is currently 7-handed.

UTG straddle to $6.
HERO raises to $20 LJ with
CO calls.
B calls.
VILLAIN (BB) calls.

Pot: $83 after rake
Eff stack: $200
Flop:

VILLAIN leads for $40.
HERO calls.
CO and B fold.

Pot: $163
Eff stack: $160
Turn:

VILLAIN checks.
HERO checks.

Pot: $163
Eff stack: $160
Turn:

VILLAIN checks.

HERO?

 

[JoeBGo]

Two checks sure seems like they’ve given up. Or setting a good trap…I guess I’d fire somewhere between $80-$100 and hope they fold.

 

[Senzrock]

Snap check behind and share the results with PCF

 

[boltonguy]

I think there are two scenarios to consider:

1. opponent has a losing hand. If we bet, what losing (worse) hands are we targeting to call? If we can't identify enough worse hands that call, betting to get a fold isnt worth the possibility of putting more money in the pot IMHO. V leads into 4 players which has to be strong for a weak, passive player. If she has never raised preflop we should give her all premiums: AA, KK, QQ, AK. She may also lead with 77 and KQ. All of these hands may lead because of the fear of it X around and the straight coming in. Finally, but maybe less likely are KJ/KT with a BDFD. So then the straight comes in and she X. Even all of those hands in the donking range lose to the straight so a X makes sense. Hero X behind. River is a brick. I can see a passive player with a set or 2 pair X river here to give Hero a chance to bluff. In V's seat with a second/third/fourth best hand OOP I would probably rather X/C and bluffcatch (at a cheaper price) than to bet and have to call a raise (more expensive way to get to SD) or fold. Medium strength OOP player - it is probably GTO to X turn and river here to let IP player bluff. So I think from an unknown passive low stakes player we cant discount all of these hands {AA, KK, QQ, AK, 77, KQ and KJ/KT with BDFD). So are we just targeting the very bottom of that range?

Will she call with KJ/KT? It would have to be a pretty small bet, like $40.

2. opponent has a winning hand. If we bet, opponent either folds, calls or raises with a winning (better) hand. What better hands would opponent play in this manner? Above we just identified a large number of hands that crush us that could play this way. To get them to fold we probably have to bet large, like $100+ to get KQ to fold. But there are a lot of those hands and KQ is at the bottom.

I think it is more likely that opponent either has a winning hand and will call or a losing hand that will fold - so we wont see value from a bet unless we go very large - and we risk losing that bet if she's sticky.

I X behind here.