PAHWM - 10nl Blitz 77 UTG facing Button 3-bet (2 Viewers)

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Returning to the strategy forum streets after a bit of a hiatus.

10nl Blitz
Not enough hands on the villain for HUD to be a factor. Plus, I tend to not use my HUD anyway. We'll get it started with a picture.

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SB and BB fold. Facing a large 3 bet, what should Hero do?
 
Yeah think this is too good to fold getting nearly 3-1 on a call. Deep enough to set mine + there are other flops you can win.

Call and see.
 
Does a 5x 3-bet want a call in this game? I feel like we’re way ahead or way behind and the race hasn’t started yet :oops:

I guess I’m feeling sporty and call.
 
Part 2

At work, so going to continue in text format.
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SB and BB fold. Facing a large 3 bet, Hero decides to call.

Pot: 22.3bb
Eff stack: 112.3bb
Flop: :6d::8h::3s:

Hero checks.
Villain bets 12.4bb
HERO?
 
I do want to note that I see this very large 3-bet sizing a good bit in this game. I'm assuming some of it has to do with avoiding rake. But I've seen near 6x 3-bets out of the blinds vs my LJ and HJ 2.2x raises multiple times. Due to this insane raise size, I'll often just fold unless we are fairly deep because I just don't have to defend often against such a sizing.

Here, 77 I feel like can go either way pre. I'm definitely folding 22-55 for this size. Mostly folding 66. And probably mostly calling 77. 88+ is a definite call I think.

For reference, my standard in this game for IP 3 bets is 3.2-4x depending on stack depth. And OOP it's 4.1x-5x.
 
Sorry, man. I am out on this blitz nonsense. online holdem is bad enough, and blitz is the worst of it.

My advice: find a good game, because they are all better than blitz.
 
Sorry, man. I am out on this blitz nonsense. online holdem is bad enough, and blitz is the worst of it.

My advice: find a good game, because they are all better than blitz.
I'm actually crushing it for like 11bb/100 over about 12k hands right now. Not sustainable, but still a great sign. I play NLHE online and in short sessions, so blitz just works out well. But live, I tend to play mixed. And I plan on doing so in Vegas as well.
 
Decent board enough to at least call one more round, all low cards and rainbow board.

We are still leading all 2 broadways card and there still a backdoor straight too
 
I think pre is fine either way. I probably lean slightly more towards folding with these effective stacks.

Flop: never folding and there’s really no point in raising, that I see. I’d call
 
This is among the non-set boards that should be good for you, you are behind overpairs, and ahead of all non-pair hands, yet still vulnerable to redraws. I think the benefits of raising outweigh the risks, especially if you think this large 3-bet pre is often "light."

So I am going to reclaim the initiative and raise to 40BB or so. This will really force villain to think how much he wants to chase a pair draw. I don't mind picking up this hand here, our hand is middling enough were it's hard to get called by less anyway, yet the pot it big enough where it's worth trying to pick this up without a contest. Especially if we think villains have a lot of air here. I will probably give villain credit for a hand if he finds a 3-bet, and I will re-evaluate the turn if villain calls.

To see the future. I am raising the flop to either win now or set up a check-behind on the river if villain continues. If villain calls and checks the turn again, I am probably going to bet 50 BB into anything that isn't an AKQ, otherwise I likely check behind. I am surely going to check most rivers behind since this hand can't get called by worse unimproved, and being called on two streets probably means he's also stationing.

If villain takes the initiative back by either betting the turn or river out of flow, I will have a tough decision.

Another way to look at this is decide to station now, and only fold against scary runouts. This is probably a lower variance approach, but it's conferring a lot of benefit of position to the villain as he is setting his own price to draw if he doesn't have it. So he is giving himself the chance to win by betting or by improving.

But I think raising the flop now instead of floating through the final two streets is good. In Blitz, I don't think you can put a flop 3-bettor on a bluff without the history Blitz doesn't provide, and surely you are far from top of your own range here, this isn't a spot you have to go overboard defending.
 
Bad in what way?

Tough to beat? The players are weird and crazy?
It's generally kinda seen as harder, more aggressive, and nittier than standard tables. Though, I've been pretty firmly crushing it and don't find it too hard. I'm definitely running above expectation, but even so, I expect my long term win rate will be quite solid.
 
Bad in what way?

Tough to beat? The players are weird and crazy?
It is the tightest game on the planet. 200NL zoom is known as the toughest game there is. Internet poker...with the ability to multi table is already too tight. This is the worst of it.
 
It is the tightest game on the planet. 200NL zoom is known as the toughest game there is. Internet poker...with the ability to multi table is already too tight. This is the worst of it.
Internet poker these days is what it is. Believe me, if much prefer to play live. But closest room is 90 min away and with 2 young kids is just not feasible to go very often.

The micros are still fairly "easy." It's still a good way to practice fundamentals. And I have RB on ACR, so it's the best deal for me unless I want to play on an Agent App like Bros. And I'm just not comfortable with that.
 
Internet poker these days is what it is. Believe me, if much prefer to play live. But closest room is 90 min away and with 2 young kids is just not feasible to go very often.

The micros are still fairly "easy." It's still a good way to practice fundamentals. And I have RB on ACR, so it's the best deal for me unless I want to play on an Agent App like Bros. And I'm just not comfortable with that.

If you want to try bros, let me know. MUCH easier. The premise of agent poker sites is sketchy, but my guy is heavily invested in high stakes stuff, so his reputation is worth much more than I will ever have on a poker site.

EDIT: I also get RB.
 
If you want to try bros, let me know. MUCH easier. The premise of agent poker sites is sketchy, but my guy is heavily invested in high stakes stuff, so his reputation is worth much more than I will ever have on a poker site.

EDIT: I also get RB.
I'm not ready to do anything like that until after the series. I got screwed by a Mavens site last year. Not for much money mind you, but still.
 
Part 3

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SB and BB fold. Facing a large 3 bet, Hero decides to call.

Pot: 22.3bb
Eff stack: 112.3bb
Flop: :6d::8h::3s:

Hero checks.
Villain bets 12.4bb
Hero calls.

Pot: 47.1bb
Eff stack: 99.9bb
Turn: :6d::8h::3s::7s:
HERO?
 
This is why I wished I'd shoveled the money in on the flop like @JustinInMN suggested because now I have to make a decision. I still think this board doesn't interact well with Villain's value 3-bet range, but the 3-B bluff range may catch something. I guess that's a small %-age of the overall range. With an SPR of 2, I'm talking myself into the jam here, but I probably check to the raiser first...
 
I usually like to play in flow and check but I feel this turn could get checked back a lot. If I suspected there was a big chance he’d keep betting his overpairs despite the look of the board, I would just check/jam. But since it really sucks for his 3-betting range. I’d consider a lead of around 25-30bbs, that leaves a jamable stack for the river and if he reads a donk lead for weakness and shoves himself, yay!
 
Part 4


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SB and BB fold. Facing a large 3 bet, Hero decides to call.

Pot: 22.3bb
Eff stack: 112.3bb
Flop: :6d::8h::3s:

Hero checks.
Villain bets 12.4bb
Hero calls.

Pot: 47.1bb
Eff stack: 99.9bb
Turn: :6d::8h::3s::7s:

Hero bets 23bb.
Villain calls.

Pot 93.1bb
Eff stack: 76.9bb
River: :6d::8h::3s::7s::3h:

HERO?
 
How often does villain have 88 here as played?
Some may 3 bet large pre trying not to see a flop…once he hit top set kept firing

Was actually just kidding…you have less than a pot size bet left after leading the turn…not sure what else you would do but jam
 
Okay, catching up.

I like the lead on the turn after improving, it's a good sign you got called, now I really think we are looking at an overpair here.

My instinct is jam the river, but it might be worth considering a smaller size just to make sure villain can call a little wider, so I wouldn't hate a downbet of like 30BB here.

I am never ever checking this river, and I am never ever folding this river. It's a must-bet, sizing is the only question, and I think the only choices are to jam, or to go for something like 30BB.
 
The turn lead is interesting, as long as we are balancing that lead with some other not nutted hands like 65ss. If you are never leading here with hands like that (which I would recommend doing btw as tight players could fold hands like TT/JJ to turn leads on scary boards), if you are never leading with those hands then just check full range and look to jam in stack depth seems appropriate.

The river is just a fist pump shove. We aren't concerned ever about 88. If he happens to have it (very unlikely as played) then we are just going broke and we can't be mad at that.
 

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