PAHWM - T2500 Tourney (1 Viewer)

[Geremie]

Interested in gaining perspective on how others would have approached this.

Played in a tournament for the first time in a while. We were playing a 8-person freeze out with T2500 starting stacks. Top 2 paid. Game = NL 4-card scrotum

Level 3 - blinds 10-20. Chips relatively equal after first two levels.

Hero UTG (2550) dealt AcAdAh5c. Action to hero. I think it will be unanimous that the play is to keep AAA. I’ll pause here to get some reactions.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Yeah keep your roadside assistance and then see what happens. Love PAHWM about weird games I haven't played.

 

[krafticus]

with 4 cards only, I like the play of keeping 3. Not sure what the odds are on hitting one of the remaining 5's vs the odds of a paired board. I usually like to keep a dangler when playing 5-card, but I assume the 4-card plays a tad better.

I am also potting pre-flop

 

[Geremie]

I’ll keep this going because there’s only a small decision point pre-flop.

Hero kept AAA and raised to 60.

UTG+1 call + kept 3
LJ Fold
HJ call + kept 3
Cutoff call + kept 3
Button call + kept 4
SB fold
BB calls + kept 1

Flop: 223 rainbow

Action on hero

 

[krafticus]

I’ll keep this going because there’s only a small decision point pre-flop.

Hero kept AAA and raised to 60.

UTG+1 call + kept 3
LJ Fold
HJ call + kept 3
Cutoff call + kept 3
Button call + kept 4
SB fold
BB calls + kept 1

Flop: 223 rainbow

Action on hero

Well, I can't see anyone holding quads here, as I feel that there would have been more action pre-flop. The one that keeps 4 would have definitely raised/reraised pre. The ones that kept 3 .. you only lose to someone who keeps 3 3's. At the same time, I'm down for a 1/2 pot bet here, allowing those with "big" flush draws to stay in and catch up. You can probably assume you won't get quads, since the BB kept 1; most likely an Ace.

I'm never folding.

 

[JMC9389]

Four card Scrotum? What bullshit is that?

Anyway, I'm raising to 80 pre and leading out for 1/3 pot into the field.

I don't think a raise to 60 as played was large enough.

 

[krafticus]

and honestly, I think I like the the strategy of the 4-card version better than the 5-card. I mean, unless you are dealt quads, you will always need 1 from the board to make your hand. that adds some additional complexity.

 

[JMC9389]

and honestly, I think I like the the strategy of the 4-card version better than the 5-card. I mean, unless you are dealt quads, you will always need 1 from the board to make your hand. that adds some additional complexity.

Heresy.

More cards=more variance=more degen

 

[Geremie]

Pot: 370

I haven’t calculated the odds but I’m pretty sure the board will pair more times than hitting the “3-outer” to make the full house…so discarding the lone card is the optimal play.

Hero bets 175…given the number of people in the pot, I’m assuming that there are at least 2 and maybe even three people on flush draws so I want to ensure someone catches and pays off. I’m assuming that the 4-card is either two pair or four-flush.

UTG+1 fold
HJ call
Cutoff call
Button tanks and eventually folds
BB call

Pot = 1070

Turn: 2232 still rainbow

Action on hero…

 

[JMC9389]

Keep blasting. Bet 500.

 

[krafticus]

Pot: 370

I haven’t calculated the odds but I’m pretty sure the board will pair more times than hitting the “3-outer” to make the full house…so discarding the lone card is the optimal play.

Hero bets 175…given the number of people in the pot, I’m assuming that there are at least 2 and maybe even three people on flush draws so I want to ensure someone catches and pays off. I’m assuming that the 4-card is either two pair or four-flush.

UTG+1 fold
HJ call
Cutoff call
Button tanks and eventually folds
BB call

Pot = 1070

Turn: 2232 still rainbow

Action on hero…

The only person that can have quads is the player that kept 1 card, which if he kept a 2… he’s a prophet.

At this point, you have essentially the 3rd nuts, behind a kept SF draw that needed a 2/3, or a 23, or trip 3’s in the mitt. I doubt anyone has that based on the action, so I’m blasting again. 800 now

 

[Geremie]

I’m not sure if anyone else will comment so I’ll move along.

Hero decides to try to keep as many people in the pot hoping people are chasing flush draws and we want to let them hit. We size about 1/3 pot with 350 which leaves just less than 2000 behind.

HJ calls
Cutoff tanks and finally folds
BB pushes all-in for 2000 more

Pot 3770

Action on hero.

 

[JMC9389]

I barf call because I know the BB has the last 2 in the deck and went in preflop as a joke.

 

[krafticus]

^^. This

 

[Geremie]

So I’m torn between a couple lines…does BB think I’m playing a strong flush draw with a 3-card holding so he’s trying to get me and HJ to fold knowing that he can have any 3 to make the full house or the case 2 and have us drawing dead or does he put one of us on trips and he has the case 2 trying to extract as much value as he can. I guess he could also have a blank and is just trying to squeeze due to the passive action so far with the thinking that he could still be saved by a river 2 to make quads on the board.

Also, he put 40 into a pot of 330 and only held back a single card. Is he holding the other ace to try to spike a 4-card flush or some low card because there were 5 other callers pre-flop and “a lot of suited high cards were out”.

So then I start questioning my bet sizing on the flop and whether I should have sized up to overbet to get the BB to fold.

Eventually, I decided to push it all in. HJ snap folds. We table AAA and villain tables a 3 then starts to talk shit how I made a terrible call. Poker gods smiling with a brick on the river to take buddy out!

 

[Geremie]

I forgot to mention that even if he wasn’t bluffing, I still technically had a potential 1-outer if the case ace wasn’t folded.

 

[JMC9389]

Yeah, no way I'm folding there. The other guy fell for the oldest folly in mixed games. The under full full house is never good in any mixed game, especially with multiple callers. He needs to play better.

 

[krafticus]

forgot to ask as well. Regular, or H/L version of the game? Seems like High only, and if so, how does a player with 4 cards decide to keep a single 3 in his hand to play? What did they throw away?

 

[Geremie]

forgot to ask as well. Regular, or H/L version of the game? Seems like High only, and if so, how does a player with 4 cards decide to keep a single 3 in his hand to play? What did they throw away?

It was high only.

Not sure what they threw away...but if I had to guess it would have been something like 3,6,10,K rainbow which doesn't have anything connected/suited so he was hoping for a 333 flop or something ridiculous...that said, even with 40 into a 330 pot isn't sufficient pot odds to warrant that play.

Apparently, he was initially trying to be funny with the single card but then the flop and "pot odds" were "too good" to pass up to see a turn card. And the brilliant idea to semi-bluff after the turn into multiple players trying to represent quads. I guess if HJ and I were both on 3-card flush draws then it probably would have got through.

I feel based on the responses, I should have sized up pre-flop and post-flop to try to better isolate. It's hilarious that the only sweat came from the single card player since I had the 3-card players dominated.

 

[demonnic]

I'd never heard of Scrotum before, but it seems like an interesting variant.

 

[krafticus]

I'd never heard of Scrotum before, but it seems like an interesting variant.

It's a fun game when played Hi only. Get 5 (or 4) cards, and you have to play everything you keep. So, if you keep AKQJh, and the board runs out AAAJ6 with no heart, you have 1 pair.

 

[JMC9389]

It's a fun game when played Hi only. Get 5 (or 4) cards, and you have to play everything you keep. So, if you keep AKQJh, and the board runs out AAAJ6 with no heart, you have 1 pair.

There are also monsters like @CraigT78 that like to play this in the hi/lo variation. Don't listen to those people.

 

[BGinGA]

Ahem... but Five-card Scrotum Hi-Lo is the world's best three games: Pot-Limit, Fixed-Limit, and No-Limit. Chickens, nits, and people who love money need not apply.

 

[Geremie]

It's a fun game when played Hi only. Get 5 (or 4) cards, and you have to play everything you keep. So, if you keep AKQJh, and the board runs out AAAJ6 with no heart, you have 1 pair.

And anyone who kept 2 or 1 card would have you automatically beat

Spoiler

This is not financial advice

 

[ontheriver51]

What is 4 card scrotum??