PCF at the Movies (2 Viewers)
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Went to see Civil war the other day after seeing the promising trailer and having read some positive reviews. Struggling to find a single nice thing to say (Kirsten Dunst did a fine job, I guess). Complete snooze fest with shitty dialogue and poorly written characters that I really couldn’t have cared less about. I figured Alex Garland would mean some guaranteed quality, but guess not.
Finally found time to watch Oppenheimer yesterday. Could also have been a snoozer but I’m glad there’s one director one can still count on. Not really re-watchable but a pretty solid film and one hell of a cast. Didn’t feel like 3 hours at all.
Finally found time to watch Oppenheimer yesterday. Could also have been a snoozer but I’m glad there’s one director one can still count on. Not really re-watchable but a pretty solid film and one hell of a cast. Didn’t feel like 3 hours at all.
Been holding out on Oppenheimer. Maybe a long flight…
I liked Civil War. The alliances are preposterous, but everything else was pretty good.
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I love origin stories
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Disappointed that MAX has this listed as a Halloween classic when it’s clearly a Christmas movie. Should be listed right next to Die Hard in December.
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With both of them being released in the middle of the summer as well.
(June 1984 for Gremlins and July 1988 for Die Hard)
Invasion of the Body Snatchers 1978 - I’ve never seen this one. Just a few minutes in, and I was taken out - I was alive in 1978 and I’ve watched a lot of TV and movies since then, but I’ve never seen a telephone like this:
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Had a wall built in growing up. Only one I've ever seen. It was guaranteed for life. My Dad kept it into the 80's and made ATT (formerly known as Ma Bell) repair it when the retracting cord broke. I'm pretty sure they ended up telling him they would no longer support it.
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Saw Joker: Folie à Deux tonight.
I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. I liked it a lot actually.
All the reviews I read beforehand pretty much bashed it to pieces. Folks wanted a copy of the first (I don’t blame em, Joker is an excellent film) but they got “a musical” instead and to them I say…
I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. I liked it a lot actually.
All the reviews I read beforehand pretty much bashed it to pieces. Folks wanted a copy of the first (I don’t blame em, Joker is an excellent film) but they got “a musical” instead and to them I say…
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Watching a double feature of two of my favorite Christmas movies tonight.
Gremlins and Die Hard.
Gremlins and Die Hard.
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That was our first date! We re-watch it all the time.
Just saw Thor: Ragnarok again, (the prior time was YEARS ago when it was new, in theaters).
Here's my controversial non-chip-related opinion: That film was the best of all the MCU movies.
Discuss.
Here's my controversial non-chip-related opinion: That film was the best of all the MCU movies.
Discuss.
Definitely was top 5, and different and unique. But def can’t be the best…
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I just watched Anora. Best Picture? Are you effing kidding me?
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Been a while since i watched Rounders, so that´s on the list for next movie night.
Otherwise i´m a sucker for 80´s 90´s and 00´s movies (not many awesome movies being made nowadays) but maybe it´s allways been like that - Same with music!
Otherwise i´m a sucker for 80´s 90´s and 00´s movies (not many awesome movies being made nowadays) but maybe it´s allways been like that - Same with music!
Alright, my code is running my model for the next day and I can't analyze it until its done with 55k iterations, SO you're all gonna get a frustration of mine.
Spoilers for the movies listed ahead but its been a decade, deal with it. I am fuzzy on the details but I really had the red string out back then, I'll see if my thesis still holds.
My stance:
The Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall are the same movie, they have an annoying number of parallels that I cannot unsee.
Introductions
Dark Knight Rises, 3rd movie in the Dark Knight trilogy. Focused around the events following Dark Knight, Batman comes back from being missing/retirement to fight the bad guy.
Skyfall, third movie in the Daniel Craig Bond-era. Following the events of the past two movies, Bond returns from being missing/dead to fight the bad guy.
Similarities:
- Both heroes return when they are needed, but are older, more tired versions of themselves that fail raw competency tests. Their reflexes have slowed, and people around them question whether they are still fit to fill the massive shoes the last few movies have prescribed. Bruce is injured and reclusive after Joker and Two-Face do a number on Gotham, and Bond is insecure after returning from his gunshot and fall. Both are insecure, and there's a vulnerability weighing on them while they undergo tests to see if they're still capable/worthy.
- Both are haunted by an external member from their past that has had the same training. Bond is against Silva, an ex-MI6 spy trained in the same way that Bond was, that's how he knows how to infiltrate MI6 after being purposefully captured. Batman is against Bane, a man trained by Ra's al Ghul who trained Bruce in the first movie. He was also purposefully captured to start the movie. Both movies feature this idea, of a stranger (to us but not to the organization) making their way back to hurt it from the inside, disfigured by their interactions with the real world, frustrated with the way the world is running.
- Both scheme for years and finally spring it, baiting the hero into their game while returning to the hero's home base. Both returns to their "homes" mark being in danger, unsafe; Bane is waiting in the batcave and Silva is chasing Bond to his childhood highlands home. Clearly nowhere is safe, the threat has to be dealt with. Silva attacks MI6 and the city, Bane attacks Wayne Enterprises and the city, both are targeted assaults on what we've seen as base in the previous movies.
- Endings show both Batman and Bond to be mortal but they are saved by some of the only friends they have as they're on the brink of death. In the previous movies, both have been shown to be near-super human with their gadgets and grit; this movie is different, they're still the lynchpins that hold it all together but lean heavily on the supporting cast. In both movies they enable their friends (Cops/Catwoman/M/Bill) to defend them, defeating Bane and wiping out most of Silva's army.
- The hero is responsible for the final save using the skills they are famous for but once doubted: Batman uses his jet to take the bomb out and save the city, Bond throws a knife across the church to kill Silva. This is not terribly similar, but they had to have the final word. Batman couldn't take out Bane and Bond would lose to Silva's bullet after blowing his house up, but they get by with a lil' help from their friends.
Contrasts and Mitigating Factors
- Ending message is very different. Bruce is retired on a beach after detonating the bomb over the ocean, but Bond is "ready to get back to work". Both were framed as old and ailing at the start, but now both seem stable.
- Although Bane and Silva are both formidable foes and they're both very intelligent, they're still significantly different. Both lead men into battle but Silva is a wiry assassin while Bane is a brick shithouse.
Conclusion
Eh, they're very similar, but it may just be a third installment thing because the more I look, the more I see this trend. It may have just seemed more pressing because I saw these within a month of each other. I need to rewatch at least Skyfall. All of this post was driven by Skyfall coming on my Spotify playlist.
The whole mortal/doubtful protagonist thing is big in third installments, not just these two, third movies are a way to lower past accomplishments while building more on backstories and character flaws. I probably have a lit nerd rolling their eyes at me somewhere because this is a common theme I'm just figuring out.
-----Rocky III, Clubber wins and he loses Mick, doubts himself and his training.
-----Return of the Jedi, not physical vulnerability but he's mentally tried, doubts himself and his lineage.
-----LOTR: Return of the King, Aragorn doubts whether he should be King and Frodo almost falls short.
-----Iron Man 3, suit and mind are failing Tony Stark and it almost costs the world. He doubts himself and his suit.
-----Capt America Civl War, doubts himself and his organization, haunted by Bucky from his past.
-----Matrix Revolutions, Neo is maimed and doubts himself, eventually accepts he's part of something bigger.
-----Thor: Ragnarok, Thor is stripped of his powers and becomes mortal-ized, being maimed and humbled.
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk, good to revisit this a decade later.
Spoilers for the movies listed ahead but its been a decade, deal with it. I am fuzzy on the details but I really had the red string out back then, I'll see if my thesis still holds.
My stance:
The Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall are the same movie, they have an annoying number of parallels that I cannot unsee.
Introductions
Dark Knight Rises, 3rd movie in the Dark Knight trilogy. Focused around the events following Dark Knight, Batman comes back from being missing/retirement to fight the bad guy.
Skyfall, third movie in the Daniel Craig Bond-era. Following the events of the past two movies, Bond returns from being missing/dead to fight the bad guy.
Similarities:
- Both heroes return when they are needed, but are older, more tired versions of themselves that fail raw competency tests. Their reflexes have slowed, and people around them question whether they are still fit to fill the massive shoes the last few movies have prescribed. Bruce is injured and reclusive after Joker and Two-Face do a number on Gotham, and Bond is insecure after returning from his gunshot and fall. Both are insecure, and there's a vulnerability weighing on them while they undergo tests to see if they're still capable/worthy.
- Both are haunted by an external member from their past that has had the same training. Bond is against Silva, an ex-MI6 spy trained in the same way that Bond was, that's how he knows how to infiltrate MI6 after being purposefully captured. Batman is against Bane, a man trained by Ra's al Ghul who trained Bruce in the first movie. He was also purposefully captured to start the movie. Both movies feature this idea, of a stranger (to us but not to the organization) making their way back to hurt it from the inside, disfigured by their interactions with the real world, frustrated with the way the world is running.
- Both scheme for years and finally spring it, baiting the hero into their game while returning to the hero's home base. Both returns to their "homes" mark being in danger, unsafe; Bane is waiting in the batcave and Silva is chasing Bond to his childhood highlands home. Clearly nowhere is safe, the threat has to be dealt with. Silva attacks MI6 and the city, Bane attacks Wayne Enterprises and the city, both are targeted assaults on what we've seen as base in the previous movies.
- Endings show both Batman and Bond to be mortal but they are saved by some of the only friends they have as they're on the brink of death. In the previous movies, both have been shown to be near-super human with their gadgets and grit; this movie is different, they're still the lynchpins that hold it all together but lean heavily on the supporting cast. In both movies they enable their friends (Cops/Catwoman/M/Bill) to defend them, defeating Bane and wiping out most of Silva's army.
- The hero is responsible for the final save using the skills they are famous for but once doubted: Batman uses his jet to take the bomb out and save the city, Bond throws a knife across the church to kill Silva. This is not terribly similar, but they had to have the final word. Batman couldn't take out Bane and Bond would lose to Silva's bullet after blowing his house up, but they get by with a lil' help from their friends.
Contrasts and Mitigating Factors
- Ending message is very different. Bruce is retired on a beach after detonating the bomb over the ocean, but Bond is "ready to get back to work". Both were framed as old and ailing at the start, but now both seem stable.
- Although Bane and Silva are both formidable foes and they're both very intelligent, they're still significantly different. Both lead men into battle but Silva is a wiry assassin while Bane is a brick shithouse.
Conclusion
Eh, they're very similar, but it may just be a third installment thing because the more I look, the more I see this trend. It may have just seemed more pressing because I saw these within a month of each other. I need to rewatch at least Skyfall. All of this post was driven by Skyfall coming on my Spotify playlist.
The whole mortal/doubtful protagonist thing is big in third installments, not just these two, third movies are a way to lower past accomplishments while building more on backstories and character flaws. I probably have a lit nerd rolling their eyes at me somewhere because this is a common theme I'm just figuring out.
-----Rocky III, Clubber wins and he loses Mick, doubts himself and his training.
-----Return of the Jedi, not physical vulnerability but he's mentally tried, doubts himself and his lineage.
-----LOTR: Return of the King, Aragorn doubts whether he should be King and Frodo almost falls short.
-----Iron Man 3, suit and mind are failing Tony Stark and it almost costs the world. He doubts himself and his suit.
-----Capt America Civl War, doubts himself and his organization, haunted by Bucky from his past.
-----Matrix Revolutions, Neo is maimed and doubts himself, eventually accepts he's part of something bigger.
-----Thor: Ragnarok, Thor is stripped of his powers and becomes mortal-ized, being maimed and humbled.
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk, good to revisit this a decade later.
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Anyone see Sinners yet? Getting good reviews and I'm a sucker for a good vampire flick. Wife doesn't do horror movies though so I need a horror-movie girlfriend now
Yes I saw this. Rick Moranis coming out of retirement after 38 years acting in his last movie is awesome.
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Proof the studios were just green lighting any idea that came across their desk.
This shit is hilarious, and not in an intentional way. Why the hell is there a Ray Liotta cameo!?
Like, everyone that worked on this for a couple months really thought, “This is a good idea for a film.”
This shit is hilarious, and not in an intentional way. Why the hell is there a Ray Liotta cameo!?
Like, everyone that worked on this for a couple months really thought, “This is a good idea for a film.”
Mission impossible: the final reckoning
I’m not an MI fanboy but at least the entertainment value of its predecessors has been fairly good to high (I did enjoy part I). This one not as much.
Boring snooze fest that was way too long and mostly felt like a poor excuse for Tom Cruise to perform crazy stunts (those are cool at least), toppled with super villain evil laugh (yes, really), illogical plot and over sentimental parts and ending. Save your money.
I’m not an MI fanboy but at least the entertainment value of its predecessors has been fairly good to high (I did enjoy part I). This one not as much.
Boring snooze fest that was way too long and mostly felt like a poor excuse for Tom Cruise to perform crazy stunts (those are cool at least), toppled with super villain evil laugh (yes, really), illogical plot and over sentimental parts and ending. Save your money.
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