Tourney Perfect T100-base 10 player set (20k stacks) (2 Viewers)

[PokerLegend]

T100-base 10 player set (20k stacks)
What’s the best starting stack
I see 15/7/10/1
10/6/6/2
10/8/10/1
10/4/7/2
What’s the best for a tournament?
We usually play rebuys. Would like enough chips for rebuys and color ups.

 

[BGinGA]

First question to answer is whether or not antes will be used -- this will affect the optimum size and configuration of both the starting stacks and the chip set.

 

[PokerLegend]

First question to answer is whether or not antes will be used -- this will affect the optimum size and configuration of both the starting stacks and the chip set

First question to answer is whether or not antes will be used -- this will affect the optimum size and configuration of both the starting stacks and the chip set.

First question to answer is whether or not antes will be used -- this will affect the optimum size and configuration of both the starting stacks and the chip set.

I’ve actually never we used antes. I have done the t25 base Texas holdem 10k starting stacks. But have seen a lot of stuff on t100 base tournaments where there are less chips needed since you won’t be chipping up so soon and with the 20k starting stack. I guess my question is. Are poker games with antes more enjoyable? Does having an ante help with having people who always fold unless they have a good hand?

 

[PokerLegend]

First question to answer is whether or not antes will be used -- this will affect the optimum size and configuration of both the starting stacks and the chip set.

I think it would be for no ante.

 

[JMC9389]

For no antes, I'm a fan of 10/6/11/1 for a 20K starting stack.

For a 10 player, single table set, 100/70/140/80 should be more than enough to cover any color ups and one rebuy for each player.

 

[BGinGA]

For a no-ante T100-base set (10 players with 20k starting stacks, plus up to five re-buys), I'd go with the following:

10/8/10/1 starting stacks (20k)
5 x T1000 + 3 x T5000 re-buy stacks (20k)

100/100 starting blinds for 200bb
100/200 starting blinds for 100bb
200/400 starting blinds for 50bb

100 x T100
80 x T500
125 x T1000 (includes 25x for re-buys)
35 x T5000 (15x for re-buys, 10x for color-ups)
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340 total chips (includes 40x for re-buys)
(290 in play at start, 120-160 in play at end)

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

Without antes, I'm using starting stacks of 10/6/11/1. 10/8/10/1 should work equally good.

 

[Mr Winberg]

A key level for this question is the 200/400 level. It requires a lot of T100 at a time when no or very few players have been eliminated. This means that the T100s are spread among all (or most) players.
In a T25 base tourney, not only are there usually more eliminations before 200/400 (meaning the survivors have more T100 on average), but there are also T25 to help out.

So in a T100 without antes, if there are no eliminations before 200/400 the BB will have to post 40% of his/her T100s (on average). If using Big Blind Antes the BB posts 400+400, i.e., 80%! (And no, you can't co-post both as 3×T100+1×T500)

For that reason, I think 10×T100 is the minimum without antes and 15×T100 with antes. Personally, I'd prefer 15 without and 20 with.

Spoiler: Off-topic

Are poker games with antes more enjoyable? Does having an ante help with having people who always fold unless they have a good hand?

Yes (subjectively) and yes (objectively).

 

[BGinGA]

A key level for this question is the 200/400 level. It requires a lot of T100 at a time when no or very few players have been eliminated. This means that the T100s are spread among all (or most) players.

So in a T100 without antes, if there are no eliminations before 200/400 the BB will have to post 40% of his/her T100s (on average). If using Big Blind Antes the BB posts 400+400, i.e., 80%! (And no, you can't co-post both as 3×T100+1×T500)

But you can post 1xT500 and 1xT500 (or 4xT100 + 1xT500) and get back T100 change with relative ease. It's not that big of an issue (no need to make change with your neighbor, for example), but do I agree that 15xT100 is the minimum for starting stacks in an ante event.

 

[JohnnyR80]

For a no-ante T100-base set (10 players with 20k starting stacks, plus up to five re-buys), I'd go with the following:

10/8/10/1 starting stacks (20k)
5 x T1000 + 3 x T5000 re-buy stacks (20k)

100/100 starting blinds for 200bb
100/200 starting blinds for 100bb
200/400 starting blinds for 50bb

100 x T100
80 x T500
125 x T1000 (includes 25x for re-buys)
35 x T5000 (15x for re-buys, 10x for color-ups)
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340 total chips (includes 40x for re-buys)
(290 in play at start, 120-160 in play at end)

how would you set it up if playing with antes?

 

[louBdub]

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/posts/1680633/

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[ChrisTot]

For a no-ante T100-base set (10 players with 20k starting stacks, plus up to five re-buys), I'd go with the following:

10/8/10/1 starting stacks (20k)
5 x T1000 + 3 x T5000 re-buy stacks (20k)

100/100 starting blinds for 200bb
100/200 starting blinds for 100bb
200/400 starting blinds for 50bb

100 x T100
80 x T500
125 x T1000 (includes 25x for re-buys)
35 x T5000 (15x for re-buys, 10x for color-ups)
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340 total chips (includes 40x for re-buys)
(290 in play at start, 120-160 in play at end)

This looks amazing! To pad out the other 60 chips (if you wanted clean racks)— would you just add 60 more T5000 to support 15 more rebuys? Or would you add more T500 to change starting stacks..I imagine no because then that would change the color up math and maybe be unnecessary?

Also, thanks for your awesome breakdown posts! Cheers!

 

[Mr Winberg]

To pad out the other 60 chips (if you wanted clean racks)— would you just add 60 more T5000 to support 15 more rebuys? Or would you add more T500 to change starting stacks..

I personally would add 50 more T100 so that each player gets 15 T100. That means they need one less T500, so you have 20 left to buy (60-50+10). I'd use at least 5 for extras (one per denom), which leaves 15. Make 10 seating chips because hey, why not? Last five can be extra T5000.

 

[digirati]

If using Big Blind Antes the BB posts 400+400, i.e., 80%! (And no, you can't co-post both as 3×T100+1×T500)

Why can't you post any combination of chips to total the BBA?

 

[DeeVee8]

T100-base 10 player set (20k stacks)
What’s the best starting stack
I see 15/7/10/1
10/6/6/2
10/8/10/1
10/4/7/2
What’s the best for a tournament?
We usually play rebuys. Would like enough chips for rebuys and color ups.

With T100, Ive found that 15/7/10/1 works best. Ten 100's just seem to go fast. Less change making with 15.

 

[Mr Winberg]

Why can't you post any combination of chips to total the BBA?

You can. But in my example the BBA was 400 and the big blind was 400. I was saying that you cannot put 3×T100+1×T500 in the middle (which I've seen noobs do several times because "it's 800 total", causing confusion if left un-corrected). You need to post the BB and the ante separately.

 

[JohnnyR80]

You can. But in my example the BBA was 400 and the big blind was 400. I was saying that you cannot put 3×T100+1×T500 in the middle (which I've seen noobs do several times because "it's 800 total", causing confusion if left un-corrected). You need to post the BB and the ante separately.

what do you mean by this? i had late reg’d a freeze out tourney and they only had big demons so i put a 1,000 chip for 400BB +400BBA and got change after action ended…?

 

[Tonystark137]

You can. But in my example the BBA was 400 and the big blind was 400. I was saying that you cannot put 3×T100+1×T500 in the middle (which I've seen noobs do several times because "it's 800 total", causing confusion if left un-corrected). You need to post the BB and the ante separately.

I'm also confused by this, if the action limps to BB, they get 200 back; if the action raise before it gets to BB, if they call, they call based on 400 BB. If they fold, they get 200 back.

 

[BGinGA]

If done properly, the dealer should deal the cards, pull the antes (or BB ante) into the pot, ensure both the small blind and big blind are posted, and then indicate action on the UTG player.

Since the pot contains no other chips at this time, an oversize chip posted BBA needing change will be dealt with after the betting is completed, and the big blind must be posted separately to ensure all bets are accurately made during the betting phase.

 

[Tonystark137]

If done properly, the dealer should deal the cards, pull the antes (or BB ante) into the pot, ensure both the small blind and big blind are posted, and then indicate action on the UTG player.

Since the pot contains no other chips at this time, an oversize chip posted BBA needing change will be dealt with after the betting is completed, and the big blind must be posted separately to ensure all bets are accurately made during the betting phase.

So if it's 200/400, the BB would need to post two 500 chips to be correct.

 

[MrRossKeys]

what do you mean by this? i had late reg’d a freeze out tourney and they only had big demons so i put a 1,000 chip for 400BB +400BBA and got change after action ended…?

I'm also confused by this, if the action limps to BB, they get 200 back; if the action raise before it gets to BB, if they call, they call based on 400 BB. If they fold, they get 200 back.

I'm pretty sure @Mr Winberg is talking about putting out less than the BB or BBA, not putting out one big chip that equals more than the BB+BBA combined.

He is correct in saying that a placement of 1x T500 chip and 3x T100 chips would not work to cover a 400/400 BB + BBA because the T500 would cover the ante but 3x T100's wouldn't cover the 400 BB.

 

[Salbino]

We play 10/6/6/2 and it works great.