Tourney T100-Base or T500-Base? and feedback on current structure and breakdown (2 Viewers)

[Ryuzumei]

Hi all

I've never played a poker tournament before and I'm trying to decide if I should buy a T100-Base or T500-Base chip set.
I read some posts on PCF and have collected the following information.

As far as I know these points are important for a tournament.

1. Base Chip
2. Amount of players
3. Chip set size and denominations
   1. Depends how many BB you use (Turbo, Normal or Deep Stack)
   2. Depends how long you want the tournament to last
4. Tournament duration
   1. How much do blind increase each level
   2. If played with ante, how large is the ante and from which level on is it required
   3. How long does a blind level last (minutes)

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In the section below I've listed my questions and the details I've worked out of the before mentioned points.

I've put my spreadsheets into "spoilers" so my message is easier to read.

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Details

1. Base Chip and denominations
   
   1. Can't decide if I should choose T100-Base or T500-Base
   a) T100-Base
   I read that this is used more and more often in casinos
   It's not as efficient as T500-Base
   
   b) T500-Base
   Is more efficient as T100-Base (less chips)
   Apparently less chips to color up
   

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   Amount of players
   The set should cover a 10 player tournament
   
   
   

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   Chip set size
   
   T100-Base (100/500/1000/5000)
   I got this breakdown from the Poker Set Selection Tool.
   
   150x T100
   50x T500
   125x T1000
   175x T5000
   
   Supports up to then T50k starting stacks of 15/5/11/7 with additional T1000, T5000 to color up the T100 / T500. Adjust the T5000 in the starting stack to play with deeper stack or to cover more rebuys.
   
   The extra chips are for broken or lost chips.
   
   
   Spoiler: T100-Base Chip Set Spreadsheet

   
   
   T500-Base (500/1000/5000/25000)
   
   100 x T500
   100 x T1000
   100 x T5000
   100 x T25000
   
   10/10/7/x
   
   Ability to do from as low as T50k with multi rebuy up to T300k freeze-out tourney.
   The extra chips are for broken or lost chips.
   
   
   Spoiler: T500-Base Chip Set Spreadsheet

   
   
   
   Questions:
   1. What do you think of the chip set sizes for T100-Base and T500-Base.
   
   Are there any adjustments needed?
   
   
   

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   Starting stack
   
   T100-Base
   
   Spoiler: T100-Base Starting Stacks Spreadsheet

   
   
   T500-Base
   
   Spoiler: T500-Base Starting Stacks Spreadsheet

   
   
   
   Questions:
   1. I'd like to have the option to play, or at least try out how "Turbo" games feel like and that's why I've included starting stacks of 100BB and lower for T100-Base and T500-Base.
   
   Do you have any suggestion for the starting stacks?
   
   Examples:
   T100-Base
   No idea, haven't seen any examples online.
   
   T500-Base
   70BB = 10/10/4
   50BB = 10/10/2
   
   2. Because of threads I've read on PCF I've separated the starting stacks for Ante and Non-Ante games.
   I know that when playing with Ante's you normally need more of the lowest chips but if I start the Ante on Blind Level 4 (for T500-Base) and remove T500 after that level, I don't really need any more of the T500 denomination for Ante's.
   
   In T100-Base it's different because the T100 chips only get removed after Blind Level 9.
   Should I still make an adjustment on the chips amount? (this would directly influence the chips that I need to buy)
   
   3. For T100-Base with 20k starting stacks (no Ante) I've seen multiple breakdowns and am not sure which one to choose.
   
   If I keep 6x T500 (10/6/11/1) then I need to buy more T500 chips as I've only planned for 50 chips. (would be possible)
   
   I've also seen 10/8/10/1, that would need even more T500's and I assume also more T1000 to color up, right?
   The additional T1000 chips would correspond to the sum of the additional T500's?
   
   Which starting stack is better in your opinion?
   
   
   
   

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   Tournament duration
   I know that you can control the duration with the starting stack size, blind level times.
   I'll just have to figure it after a few tournaments if I'd like to lengthen or shorten the games.
   
   Goal is between 3-4 hours.
   
   
   
   

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   Blind levels (edited)
   I've created three Blind structures for T100-Base and T500-Base - why, because I'm not sure if I've to set different Ante's depending on the starting stacks.
   
   T100 (edited)
   
   Spoiler: T100 Blind Structure

   
   T500 (edited)
   
   Spoiler: T500 Blind Structure

   
   
   
   Questions:
   1. As mentioned at the beginning of point 6. I've created multiple Blind structures to be able to adjust the Ante for a different Starting stack.
   
   But I don't think it's necessary, as for in above Blind structures the SB and BB are the same for 100BB or 400BB and the ante orients itself around those values, can someone confirm this?
   
   2. Are the above Blind structures for T100-Base and T500-Base correct, or would you make any adjustments?
   
   3. Is there a good online generator for Ante's, a rule, or common setup that is used for T100-Base and T500-Base?
   I've just filled it out randomly trying getting the ante's size to 10-15% of the BB.
   
   4. For T100-Base and T500-Base I don't understand why some start der Blind Levels at 100/100 or 500/500 and some on 100/200 or 500/1000.
   What's the reason for that and which one is the one more commonly used?
   
   
   
   

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   Rebuy
   I've restricted rebuys after Blind Level 6.
   
   

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   Re-entry
   Do you allow re-entry in your tournaments and how do you handle it? (until which blind level and how many BB does the person receive?)

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I realize this is a huge thread with many questions!
I'm really thankful for any advice.

Best regards
Victor

 

[TheRealStephen12]

3-1. The chip sets look fine, no adjustments needed. Though many suggest 15/5/6 (or 11)/x for T100 tournaments, it is not essential to have 15 T100s, though change may be a bit tougher to make (it would be much more highly recommended if you choose to play with an ante though).

4-1. From what I understand (since I've never played a live tournament, just read a lot of PCF articles), it's better to raise blind increases rather than shortening starting stacks, especially below 100BB. Having an ante makes the game 1-2 levels faster, though is probably not necessary.

4-2. It is easier to use a BBA which is equal to the big blind instead of an individual ante, since you can color up chips much sooner instead of having piles of low denomination chips. You can also lower the BBA to half the big blind later in the tournament (at 4-5 players) if you want it to more closely match with an individual ante. That being said, antes are optional, and you can get by with fewer chips by dropping them altogether (many prefer no-ante tournaments).

4-3. Again, most people I've seen on here recommend 15/5/6 (or 11)/x for T100, I'll leave it up to others to give advice based on first hand experience (though the question is avoided with a base T500 set).

6-1. Different antes are unnecessary

6-2. In the T100, change level 8 to 1100/2200 (BGinGA recommends this) and level 18 to 30K/60K, For T500, change levels 13 and 14 to 30K/60K and 40K/80K respectively.

6-3. Generally staying consistent at the same percentage is best, though a BBA is much easier.

6-4. There isn't much reason, though starting on something like 100/200 for 500/1000 allows for a smoother increase of the BB and are likely more common in a home game setting.

8-1. Again, I've never hosted, but usually rebuys/reentrys are the same starting stack. Add-ons can be different from the original stack.

 

[allforcharity]

I like the T500 base for its even rack breakdowns.

 

[LeLe]

Alternatively, you can get 1 rack of 100, 500, 1k 5k & 25k

An extra rack of T100 to go with the T500 set to make it more versatile. That's give you the option to play T100-based with the set as well using 10/8/10/x starting stack like what i did with my Aria STT set.

 

[chippitydoodah]

TLDR

 

[FearlessFred]

I'm personally sold on T500. Another point is that the early colour up doesn't remove half of everyone's chips!

 

[Ryuzumei]

3-1. The chip sets look fine, no adjustments needed. Though many suggest 15/5/6 (or 11)/x for T100 tournaments, it is not essential to have 15 T100s, though change may be a bit tougher to make (it would be much more highly recommended if you choose to play with an ante though).

4-1. From what I understand (since I've never played a live tournament, just read a lot of PCF articles), it's better to raise blind increases rather than shortening starting stacks, especially below 100BB. Having an ante makes the game 1-2 levels faster, though is probably not necessary.

4-2. It is easier to use a BBA which is equal to the big blind instead of an individual ante, since you can color up chips much sooner instead of having piles of low denomination chips. You can also lower the BBA to half the big blind later in the tournament (at 4-5 players) if you want it to more closely match with an individual ante. That being said, antes are optional, and you can get by with fewer chips by dropping them altogether (many prefer no-ante tournaments).

4-3. Again, most people I've seen on here recommend 15/5/6 (or 11)/x for T100, I'll leave it up to others to give advice based on first hand experience (though the question is avoided with a base T500 set).

6-1. Different antes are unnecessary

6-2. In the T100, change level 8 to 1100/2200 (BGinGA recommends this) and level 18 to 30K/60K, For T500, change levels 13 and 14 to 30K/60K and 40K/80K respectively.

6-3. Generally staying consistent at the same percentage is best, though a BBA is much easier.

6-4. There isn't much reason, though starting on something like 100/200 for 500/1000 allows for a smoother increase of the BB and are likely more common in a home game setting.

8-1. Again, I've never hosted, but usually rebuys/reentrys are the same starting stack. Add-ons can be different from the original stack.

Sorry for the late reply, I've been quite busy!

4.2 Yes, I'll definitely use BBA as it's much easier.

6.2 Thanks for the tip. I got a lot of my information from different post where among other people BGinGA gave advice but I never saw that option for the blind levels. For the T100 it definitely makes sense as the T100 chips are used for one more blind level.

Thank you very much for the solid advice.

 

[Ryuzumei]

I like the T500 base for its even rack breakdowns.

I got the breakdown from the man, the myth, the legend @BGinGA !

He has really contributed a lot for this forum as well as others.

 

[Ryuzumei]

Alternatively, you can get 1 rack of 100, 500, 1k 5k & 25k

An extra rack of T100 to go with the T500 set to make it more versatile. That's give you the option to play T100-based with the set as well using 10/8/10/x starting stack like what i did with my Aria STT set.

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Great idea!

I love black chips so this way I can use them too.

 

[guyfleegman]

My new MTT set is also t500 based but I am not doing 10-10-7-x
Instead, I am going with 6-12-12-x for a 16 player tournament.
That uses
T500-96
T1000-192
T5000-192
T25k up to- 80
With 1 full rack of t500 and 25k and 2 full racks of 1k and 5k we have 6 total racks.
The t500 get colored up perfectly with the remaining 8 1k and 5k chips. 8 25k color up the 1000’s
I also got 1 barrel of 100k chips just for fun. I can use those for deeper stacks and/or to color up the 1k’s and/or for help with rebuys.

When running a STT I can always go to the
10-10-7-10-2 setup for up to 500k starting stacks

 

[FearlessFred]

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My new MTT set is also t500 based but I am not doing 10-10-7-x
Instead, I am going with 6-12-12-x for a 16 player tournament.
That uses
T500-96
T1000-192
T5000-192
T25k up to- 80
With 1 full rack of t500 and 25k and 2 full racks of 1k and 5k we have 6 total racks.
The t500 get colored up perfectly with the remaining 8 1k and 5k chips. 8 25k color up the 1000’s
I also got 1 barrel of 100k chips just for fun. I can use those for deeper stacks and/or to color up the 1k’s and/or for help with rebuys.

When running a STT I can always go to the
10-10-7-10-2 setup for up to 500k starting stacks

This is perfect, I intend to buy exactly half of this for my 8 handed STT set