PL Omaha 8, maybe some interesting decisions, but probably not (1 Viewer)

[FDLmold]

under the gun 5-handed. Raise seems standard? Double suited, three low cards, can play both ways.

Playing micro stakes at Americas Cardroom. Holdem games are tight, but holy crap there are some terrible Omaha and Omaha 8 players.

Cutoff, button, and SB call. The tight-and-never-raised-once BB folded.

4 to the flop, 13 big blinds in pot.

Flop

It is checked to us. Seems a pretty clear bet here. I'll post more later.

 

[FDLmold]

Effective stacks are pretty small. Say 30, 30, and 20 big bets left, starting with the SB and going around the table. I have opponents covered.

 

[Beakertwang]

You're not winning the low. It's Omaha, so someone has 77, someone else has Qx diamonds, and the last player has . It's a clear check fold here.

 

[FDLmold]

You're not winning the low. It's Omaha, so someone has 77, someone else has Qx diamonds, and the last player has . It's a clear check fold here.

But it can still run out , time to go all in baby.

 

[Payback]

PF is definitely a raise. Ram and jam flop.

 

[Moxie Mike]

Let's pretend you're in a reasonably deep stacked game to make it more interesting. As told, being 30 BB deep in a micro stakes game isn't much to get excited about. Get it in and drink Folgers coffee in the morning instead of pumpkin spice latte from Starbucks if you lose.

Pot the flop. The reactions of your opponents will provide insights as to how to navigate the rest of the hand.

I assume you were called by at least one of the players in position. I think you can put them pretty squarely on a strong flush draw and/or the nut low draw. Fold to any flop aggression.

You plan for the turn? The only non-gross turn cards are the 4 remaining kings and aces, the non diamond nines and the non-diamond deuces. If the turn is one of those cards, jam. If the turn is not one of those cards, you probably need to check and fold to sizable aggression.

Unless of course your stack consists of a whole $4.70. In which case, who gives a shit?

 

[detroitdad]

I love this game. Its even more fun when its played as Big O (5 hole cards )

Two options. Check and see a turn card for free. Or bet. Since it checked to me, I'm betting. Probably 75% - a pot sized bet.

 

[Rhodeman77]

If we are deep as @Moxie Mike said I play this hand as a check back and depending on the turn card and action in front of me a pretty easy check fold most of the time. Very rarely will top 2 be the best high hand in a 4 way pot and a 6-3 low doesn’t get me very excited either.

 

[Moxie Mike]

If we are deep as @Moxie Mike said I play this hand as a check back and depending on the turn card and action in front of me a pretty easy check fold most of the time. Very rarely will top 2 be the best high hand in a 4 way pot and a 6-3 low doesn’t get me very excited either.

True, but there's a decent chance you're ahead on this flop. You block sets of aces and kings, leaving only a set of 7's to fear. Depending on your opponents, potting the flop might even get some non-nut flush draws or weak-but-still-stronger-than-yours low draws to fold. Getting someone to fold a set of sevens is probably wishful thinking.

Potting the flop also gives you the chance to make a substantial bet on the turn if a king, ace or non-diamond-nine peels off. Even a seven on the turn, while not awesome - gives you a chance to rep a FH if you decide to barrel.

 

[FDLmold]

My split pot training thus far in my life has led to this:

Scoop the pot. If you can't, you had better be the nuts in one direction (or drawing to it).

At any rate, I pusillanimously bet $1. My experience at these stakes online has led me to believe that if you hit the POT button, only the nuts stick around to see more cards. Bet sizing is an area I need work. Proceeding with the turn, it's a good card for us.

Two to the turn, out of position, we have

Pot is 21 big bets, villain has about 10 big bets remaining.

Flop Turn

Action is to us.

 

[detroitdad]

three quarter pot bet

 

[Moxie Mike]

Two to the turn, out of position, we have

Pot is 21 big bets, villain has about 10 big bets remaining.

Flop Turn

Action is to us.

Set Villian in. No reason to believe you're behind and no reason to give a free card. If you're beat for high at showdown your low draw is strong enough to bail you out for half a decent amount of the time. Villian folding is also a good result obviously.

Also, no tough river decision to make this way.

 

[Beakertwang]

If we are deep as @Moxie Mike said I play this hand as a check back and depending on the turn card and action in front of me a pretty easy check fold most of the time. Very rarely will top 2 be the best high hand in a 4 way pot and a 6-3 low doesn’t get me very excited either.

You know, I was joking, but this is essentially what I said.

 

[Rhodeman77]

True, but there's a decent chance you're ahead on this flop. You block sets of aces and kings, leaving only a set of 7's to fear. Depending on your opponents, potting the flop might even get some non-nut flush draws or weak-but-still-stronger-than-yours low draws to fold. Getting someone to fold a set of sevens is probably wishful thinking.

Potting the flop also gives you the chance to make a substantial bet on the turn if a king, ace or non-diamond-nine peels off. Even a seven on the turn, while not awesome - gives you a chance to rep a FH if you decide to barrel.

I agree that Hero is likely ahead for the high on this flop, but there are so few good turn cards that keep us ahead. If we bet we rarely get a fold from anything and will most likely be going into the turn in bloated pot now with 2 pair and weak low. Since there are so many more bad turn cards than good ones I’d rather keep the pot small to be able to call a cheap turn bet hoping to spike an A or K for a full house.

 

[Rhodeman77]

My split pot training thus far in my life has led to this:

Scoop the pot. If you can't, you had better be the nuts in one direction (or drawing to it).

At any rate, I pusillanimously bet $1. My experience at these stakes online has led me to believe that if you hit the POT button, only the nuts stick around to see more cards. Bet sizing is an area I need work. Proceeding with the turn, it's a good card for us.

Two to the turn, out of position, we have

Pot is 21 big bets, villain has about 10 big bets remaining.

Flop Turn

Action is to us.

Hero got lucky and hit one of the best cards (behind the A or K obviously) and should be betting pot for sure now.

 

[FDLmold]

Hero got lucky...

I felt more lucky than good after the hand, so I thought I'd bring it up.

 

[Marc Hedrick]

I would love to get in a 3 way pot in O8 with all three players having less than 30 BB. With these stack sizes I say pot it when you think you're good and check/fold when youre behind. I'm potting that flop and turn with those stack sizes. You'll get all kinds of crap to call the turn shove as thryre calling off way less than is already committed. Plenty of equity to win both sides on that turn.

 

[FDLmold]

Plenty of equity to win both sides on that turn.

That was my feeling. I'm pretty good both ways. The flop bet folded out worse hands or maybe better hands that were only one way. At any rate, I put my opponent all in. He had trash. Terrible high hand, but second nut low draw. The river was a beauty.



My thirst for action at this point in my life exceeds my bankroll. My local casino has 1-2 NL all the time, but rarely anything higher, so ALL the sharks and minnows are at the same table. I need to spend a few months working on my game and my reads before I go there for my first live casino poker since the 1990s. If I can do well at PL25 and NL25, maybe PL50 and NL50 online, then I'm confident I can go to live 1-2 at the casino and be one of the better players.

 

[honkydevil]

Are there plenty of PLO8 micro tables running on ACR? I'd been playing PLO8 on Ignition.

I read this earlier but never had any time to comment. I think I raise pre, raise flop hoping to fold out low only draws and mediocre straight draws. If you get reraised and the pot is going multiway then fold.

 

[Beakertwang]

That was my feeling. I'm pretty good both ways. The flop bet folded out worse hands or maybe better hands that were only one way. At any rate, I put my opponent all in. He had trash. Terrible high hand, but second nut low draw. The river was a beauty.

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My thirst for action at this point in my life exceeds my bankroll. My local casino has 1-2 NL all the time, but rarely anything higher, so ALL the sharks and minnows are at the same table. I need to spend a few months working on my game and my reads before I go there for my first live casino poker since the 1990s. If I can do well at PL25 and NL25, maybe PL50 and NL50 online, then I'm confident I can go to live 1-2 at the casino and be one of the better players.

I've watched PLO at my local casino. You'd be one of the best players there, for sure.

 

[FDLmold]

At peak hours, you can find lots of micro NLHE, PLO and PLO8. A few stud tables too, .40/.80 being my preference. I could not get the font size right on Ignition on my screen, so I took out my hundred bucks there and put it back in ACR. Closed that account and bye bye. I was never quite sure how I felt about random games with anonymous players.

 

[honkydevil]

At peak hours, you can find lots of micro NLHE, PLO and PLO8. A few stud tables too, .40/.80 being my preference. I could not get the font size right on Ignition on my screen, so I took out my hundred bucks there and put it back in ACR. Closed that account and bye bye. I was never quite sure how I felt about random games with anonymous players.

Better or worse the anonymous tables make the game different. A couple years ago I found myself doing better on Ignition vs ACR, probably helped hide that I was a noob.

I might have to look at ACRs lobby sometime and check it out.