Poker Hand Rankings (3 Viewers)

[Goosefraba]

I created this off of a few image searches for some of my newbie players. A little helpful to have on the table sometimes.

I printed them on 8 1/2 x 11 and the card is big enough to read but small enough to not take up too much space at the table.

 

[upNdown]

I say down with the royal flush! It’s just the highest straight flush, not a separate ranking. I realize most have ranking charts make this (non)distinction, but that doesn’t mean you have to. Eliminate that line, I say!

You don’t include steel wheel on your chart. You don’t have a line entry to show that four aces are better than four tens. Or more significantly, you don’t have an entry to show that aces full of threes is a better hand than kings full of queens. So why have a separate line to show that the highest possible straight flush is better than some middling straight flush?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Nice! If you're lazy like me, I just picked up a few of these and give them out for beginner nights. I don't expect the "how to play" side gets used much but its fun watching them look over the ranking chart when the 4th heart hits.

https://www.thepokerstore.com/products/copy-of-blackjack-strategy-card?_pos=1&_sid=249721774&_ss=r

 

[Goosefraba]

Thanks for the feed back..

You don’t include steel wheel on your chart.

How would this be viewed against someone who has a “royal flush”? They both have aces but one hand has higher ranking cards.

You don’t have a line entry to show that four aces are better than four tens. Or more significantly, you don’t have an entry to show that aces full of threes is a better hand than kings full of queens. So why have a separate line to show that the highest possible straight flush is better than some middling straight flush?

Which is why I put the columns on the right showing the card rankings

Maybe I should have mentioned that we typically play hold ‘em so the steel wheel would come into play only as a low straight flush if someone were to have a higher ranked straight flush. So this card wouldn’t help much with other hi lo or just lo games

 

[Sparkynutz]

I say down with the royal flush! It’s just the highest straight flush, not a separate ranking. I realize most have ranking charts make this (non)distinction, but that doesn’t mean you have to. Eliminate that line, I say!

You don’t include steel wheel on your chart. You don’t have a line entry to show that four aces are better than four tens. Or more significantly, you don’t have an entry to show that aces full of threes is a better hand than kings full of queens. So why have a separate line to show that the highest possible straight flush is better than some middling straight flush?

I have yet to see a ranking that includes low hand. Much better use of chart space than Royal flush.

 

[Goosefraba]

I have yet to see a ranking that includes low hand. Much better use of chart space than Royal flush.

I’m a novice for low games but now I’m curious how a card like this would layout for those games

 

[upNdown]

I have yet to see a ranking that includes low hand. Much better use of chart space than Royal flush.

I just mentioned steel wheel because it has its own name, like Royal. Probably a poor choice on my part because it just confuses the argument. And the argument is simply this:
a Royal flush is not a different hand than a straight flush. It is just the highest possible straight flush. That doesn’t mean it should have its own line in addition to the straight flush, because there are no other hands on that chart that have two lines for two different values of the same hand.

 

[Moxie Mike]

I say down with the royal flush! It’s just the highest straight flush, not a separate ranking. I realize most have ranking charts make this (non)distinction, but that doesn’t mean you have to. Eliminate that line, I say!

You don’t include steel wheel on your chart. You don’t have a line entry to show that four aces are better than four tens. Or more significantly, you don’t have an entry to show that aces full of threes is a better hand than kings full of queens. So why have a separate line to show that the highest possible straight flush is better than some middling straight flush?

I bet you're really fun at parties hahaha!

 

[upNdown]

I bet you're really fun at parties hahaha!

My daughter told me, just two hours ago, “you play devil’s advocate too much.” She’s not wrong.

 

[Goosefraba]

I just mentioned steel wheel because it has its own name, like Royal. Probably a poor choice on my part because it just confuses the argument. And the argument is simply this:
a Royal flush is not a different hand than a straight flush. It is just the highest possible straight flush. That doesn’t mean it should have its own line in addition to the straight flush, because there are no other hands on that chart that have two lines for two different values of the same hand.

Makes sense. The Royal flush might be something that has stuck around from way back. Maybe if it’s a wild card game it could be replaced with 5 of a kind

 

[KHarp1]

How would this be viewed against someone who has a “royal flush”? They both have aces but one hand has higher ranking cards.



Which is why I put the columns on the right showing the card rankings

I'm a little confused, are you referring to the Suites posted on the right? I'm unaware of any poker game, at least games played in mainstream casinos, that use a suite ranking.

 

[Tonystark137]

I'm a little confused, are you referring to the Suites posted on the right? I'm unaware of any poker game, at least games played in mainstream casinos, that use a suite ranking.

Idk if he meant it as a ranking, maybe just to show the different suits?

 

[Goosefraba]

I'm a little confused, are you referring to the Suites posted on the right? I'm unaware of any poker game, at least games played in mainstream casinos, that use a suite ranking.

I was referring to the card rankings. Ace being the highest ranking card followed by the King and so on. Again this being in a game of hold ‘em.

In poker there are no suit rankings, I’ve read some use suits when deciding where the dealer button starts so an Ace of spades would take the button over an Ace of diamonds. But when this happens I typically flip another card for those that have the same high card and it’s usually resolved.

 

[Goosefraba]

Idk if he meant it as a ranking, maybe just to show the different suits?

Correct. I believe the suit ranking was derived from the Tarot and bridge games with variations from their country of origin, either alphabetically or in another order.

What I have on the card is mainly to indicate there are 4 different suits in the deck

 

[Tonystark137]

Correct. I believe the suit ranking was derived from the Tarot and bridge games with variations from their country of origin, either alphabetically or in another order.

What I have on the card is mainly to indicate there are 4 different suits in the deck

Yeah definitely played card games where suits play, just don't know if it fits here, for a new player, it can definitely be confusing. I like the card ranking though. Rarely see that.

Another improvement recommendation is maybe switch the card in some of the hand set up, a lot of Ks and Spades.

 

[Tonystark137]

Doesn't reuse the same suit/number as much

 

[bigdonkey]

Doesn't reuse the same suit/number as much
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I would prefer the pips to be arranged in order of importance (high to low) like the other hands. As is, one might infer that flush = flush regardless of the cards used to make it.

 

[Tonystark137]

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I would prefer the pips to be arranged in order of importance (high to low) like the other hands. As is, one might infer that flush = flush regardless of the cards used to make it.

I actually like it better when looking it relative to the other hand ranking, in the sense that it doesn't matter how high flush it , it beats a J high straight.

 

[Mandos]

I just mentioned steel wheel because it has its own name, like Royal. Probably a poor choice on my part because it just confuses the argument. And the argument is simply this:
a Royal flush is not a different hand than a straight flush. It is just the highest possible straight flush. That doesn’t mean it should have its own line in addition to the straight flush, because there are no other hands on that chart that have two lines for two different values of the same hand.

This came up recently in a wild card game because the rules were that natural straight flushes beat wild straight flushes, and I had to clarify that a natural straight flush would beat a wild royal flush. Several people objected, but it's NOT a separate type of hand and that matters in situations like that.

 

[upNdown]

This came up recently in a wild card game because the rules were that natural straight flushes beat wild straight flushes, and I had to clarify that a natural straight flush would beat a wild royal flush. Several people objected, but it's NOT a separate type of hand and that matters in situations like that.

 

[Goosefraba]

Doesn't reuse the same suit/number as much
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I remember seeing this image but didn’t like the layout as much. The extra card(s) shown don’t clearly depict the hand it’s describing which is why I show blank cards. And the order in which they show the hands would change, either left to right or right to left

 

[Goosefraba]

This came up recently in a wild card game because the rules were that natural straight flushes beat wild straight flushes, and I had to clarify that a natural straight flush would beat a wild royal flush. Several people objected, but it's NOT a separate type of hand and that matters in situations like that.

I guess there’s more call for distinct ranking cards for various games

 

[bigdonkey]

I actually like it better when looking it relative to the other hand ranking, in the sense that it doesn't matter how high flush it , it beats a J high straight.

Isn't that already implied by the flush being above the straight on the chart?

All of the other hands have the cards shown in order of importance (sort of - highest counting paired cards to the left, but highest counting non-paired cards to the right).

 

[bigdonkey]

This came up recently in a wild card game because the rules were that natural straight flushes beat wild straight flushes, and I had to clarify that a natural straight flush would beat a wild royal flush. Several people objected, but it's NOT a separate type of hand and that matters in situations like that.

So you are saying that A-5 natural straight flush beats a wild Royal Flush? Sure, a Royal Flush isn't a seperate hand, but A-high straight flush still beats 5-high straight flush. Would four natural 2's beat four Aces composed of three natural Aces + a wild card?

 

[upNdown]

So you are saying that A-5 natural straight flush beats a wild Royal Flush? Sure, a Royal Flush isn't a seperate hand, but A-high straight flush still beats 5-high straight flush. Would four natural 2's beat four Aces composed of three natural Aces + a wild card?

I would say so. If you have a four of a kind using a wild card, you can’t beat any natural 4 of a kind. You beat natural full houses though.

 

[Tonystark137]

Isn't that already implied by the flush being above the straight on the chart?

All of the other hands have the cards shown in order of importance (sort of - highest counting paired cards to the left, but highest counting non-paired cards to the right).

Shrugs, either way works this was just the first picture that came up on google. I was trying to read it from a mindset that someone has zero clues what a K is. Feel that 1 communicates a disconnected hand but the same suit. The also kind ties nicely into the Full House row showing that for me.

I show blank cards

Maybe include a kicker for the pair row?

 

[bigdonkey]

I would say so. If you have a four of a kind using a wild card, you can’t beat any natural 4 of a kind. You beat natural full houses though.

I've never played that way. It really creates new categories of hand rankings, though, if a K-high wild straight loses to a 7-high natural straight, putting the wild versions of hands between the natural versions.

Natural Straight Flush
Wild Straight Flush
Natural Four of a Kind
Wild Four of a Kind
Natural Full House
Wild Full House
Natural Flush
Wild Flush
Etc...

Does 4-of-a-kind with 1 wild beat 4-of-a-kind with 2 wilds?

 

[Mandos]

So you are saying that A-5 natural straight flush beats a wild Royal Flush?

Correct. Which also makes statistical sense... There are only 40 ways of making a natural straight flush, but over 2500 ways to make a wild one.

Sure, a Royal Flush isn't a seperate hand, but A-high straight flush still beats 5-high straight flush. Would four natural 2's beat four Aces composed of three natural Aces + a wild card?

According to the rules we were playing, yes. (and again, this makes sense mathematically if you are going to make a distinction between natural and wild hands. There are 624 ways to make natural quads, but over 30k wild).

Obviously that's not the rule in all wild card games, but it was in the game we were playing.
As it happened we had multiple cases of wild straight flushes and wild quads over wild quads but no natural quads or straight flushes all night.

 

[Mandos]

if a K-high wild straight loses to a 7-high natural straight, putting the wild versions of hands between the natural versions.

I should add that we only distinguished for hands above full houses.
We were also playing that the wild card could not duplicate a card already present in your hand, so you couldn't have an AAxxx flush or 5 of a kind.
And no, we didn't draw a distinction between how many wild cards you're using, i thought about it but i think it creates more issues than it solves.
The main function of distinguishing between wild and natural hands above full houses is to put some doubt into the person holding 22 in deuces wild. They aren't guaranteed to have the nuts, since a natural hand can still beat them, and having an unbeatable starting hand breaks the game in a way.

 

[Tony_M]

I just mentioned steel wheel because it has its own name, like Royal. Probably a poor choice on my part because it just confuses the argument. And the argument is simply this:
a Royal flush is not a different hand than a straight flush. It is just the highest possible straight flush. That doesn’t mean it should have its own line in addition to the straight flush, because there are no other hands on that chart that have two lines for two different values of the same hand.

I could never understand this either. At a recent game ranking question came up and I said a straight flush was the best hand you could get and someone argued that, no, a Royal flush was the highest. ::sigh::