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- Thread starter MrBo
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Waiting a bit more to see if any of the other Lions Den regs want to chime in. Fellow nit @kirchhausen ? Local LAG expert @Chippy McChiperson ? Chief idiot of the basket of idiots @PhilLaFond ?
kirchhausen
Flush
It depends on how much bourbon Villain had that night. Last three times I've been in a similar spot with this Villian he has had AA (I've had AK each time).
Chippy McChiperson
Straight Flush
The sigh jam 5 bet always means AA or KK, and honestly if I'm playing well I would have folded to the overbet 3-bet OOP, unless you were deep enough to set mine (against this particular opponent).
A large majority of lower limit players 3 bet pre with QQ+. Since you have QQ, to me that narrows it down. However, I'm nitty as hell, so feel free to brush off
Don't listen to Dan. I heard one time seven players were all-in pre-flop and Dan looked at AA in the BB and folded.
Get it all-in pre-flop and you still have outs (y) :thumbsup:
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Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
I agree with Chippy. Hard as fuck to lay down QQ 5-handed, but Villains range looks like AA/KK here
kirchhausen
Flush
Fold
Results:
Hero is confuddled and takes some time to think through the hand. Villain's quick jam obviously feels like AA/KK, especially since he knows he has very little fold equity (I am a nit, but I'm not often 4-bet folding). The thing that really confused me was the $17 3-bet. Why would he try to scare off the action with such a premium hand? It smells more like a medium-strong "go away" bet. The most likely explanation to me was that he figured I'll get out of the way most of the time and the Button player will often come along with a wide range of hands. A big raise gets him into a lower SPR situation where he can happily pile more money into the pot against a pretty loose opponent. Knowing that he's the type of player to be aware of all this, I figured I have 2 pretty significant indicators of AA/KK type strength, plus the fact that he's ripping it in against a nit who just 4-bet him. So...
Hero folds.
Since we're playing "show one," Villain turns over the
. I can't remember if he looked at his hole cards before flipping it over or not.
Hero is even more confuddled
n) :thumbsdown:
Hero is confuddled and takes some time to think through the hand. Villain's quick jam obviously feels like AA/KK, especially since he knows he has very little fold equity (I am a nit, but I'm not often 4-bet folding). The thing that really confused me was the $17 3-bet. Why would he try to scare off the action with such a premium hand? It smells more like a medium-strong "go away" bet. The most likely explanation to me was that he figured I'll get out of the way most of the time and the Button player will often come along with a wide range of hands. A big raise gets him into a lower SPR situation where he can happily pile more money into the pot against a pretty loose opponent. Knowing that he's the type of player to be aware of all this, I figured I have 2 pretty significant indicators of AA/KK type strength, plus the fact that he's ripping it in against a nit who just 4-bet him. So...
Hero folds.
Since we're playing "show one," Villain turns over the
. I can't remember if he looked at his hole cards before flipping it over or not.Hero is even more confuddled
n) :thumbsdown:
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
In case you didn't know, he likes to size his bet as prime numbers.
PhilLaFond
Straight
FWIW... my thoughts
1. I've been trying bigger bets in general... $17 was probably a bit too big
2. As @MrBo surmised, I was initially hoping he would fold and I would be heads-up in position against the spewy lagtard. He'll bet if he hits the flop and check/fold when he misses. Took a lot of money off of him that night doing this
3. When MrBo minraises, I thought I have sufficient fold equity, so just thought I'd take a shot. As he was thinking out loud I realized $17 was too big... as someone said it looked like a raise intended to win the pot right there.
Figured I was behind or flipping, but what the hey so insta shoved to show strength. Don't recall sighing, but if that helps it works for me
My hand was
1. I've been trying bigger bets in general... $17 was probably a bit too big
2. As @MrBo surmised, I was initially hoping he would fold and I would be heads-up in position against the spewy lagtard. He'll bet if he hits the flop and check/fold when he misses. Took a lot of money off of him that night doing this
3. When MrBo minraises, I thought I have sufficient fold equity, so just thought I'd take a shot. As he was thinking out loud I realized $17 was too big... as someone said it looked like a raise intended to win the pot right there.
Figured I was behind or flipping, but what the hey so insta shoved to show strength. Don't recall sighing, but if that helps it works for me
My hand was
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WedgeRock
Royal Flush
FWIW... my thoughts
1. I've been trying bigger bets in general... $17 was probably a bit too big
2. As @MrBo surmised, I was initially hoping he would fold and I would be heads-up in position against the spewy lagtard. He'll bet if he hits the flop and check/fold when he misses. Took a lot of money off of him that night doing this
3. When MrBo minraises, I thought I have sufficient fold equity, so just thought I'd take a shot. As he was thinking out loud I realized $17 was too big... as someone said it looked like a raise intended to win the pot right there.
Figured I was behind or flipping, but what the hey so insta shoved to show strength. Don't recall sighing, but if that helps it works for me
My hand was
I figured the other one was a ten, but my guess was the
Thought perhaps the other one was 
and you were making a move with a blocker to the nuts and more equity when called by JJ-KK. Not sure if this is right, but I think I'd be more likely to call off with AK than QQ since I would have had blockers to AA and KK and better overall equity against your entire range to make a call mathematically ok. Of course now I know TT is in your range as well 
Funny thing is, if you raised more your usual size, say $12-13, I probably make it around $30-35 and then fold to a shove anyways. From now on I'm just limp-calling every hand and not falling into your giant 3-bet trap
AWenger
Full House
In hindsight, you mis-sized your bet perfectly.
Of course now I know TT is in your range as well
As Mark attested to previously , 66 is apparently in my range too
Funny thing is, if you raised more your usual size, say $12-13, I probably make it around $30-35 and then fold to a shove anyways. From now on I'm just limp-calling every hand and not falling into your giant 3-bet trap
I think in this scenario -- I bet $12 and you raise to $35 -- I can probably find a fold with TT
I don't know, you're still looking at about the same fold equity, slightly more even, if you shove. Maybe subconsciously you realized you overbet and really wanted that extra $5 back by any means possible
siNdreAd
Sitting Out
Some of my reasoning for folding here seems a bit different. I find avoiding difficult decisions is +EV for me. If this happened to me, given your history/reads on the villain, and the strangeness of the 3 bet, I would put him on a range of something like {99,TT,JJ,KK,AA,AK) - he might think he's ahead but wants to really know where he's at with you and isolate the button, he might just want to take it down with AK / isolate the button, he might have KK or AA and wants to... isolate the button etc. etc. So I actually think I'm a slight favorite against his range, but I'm not sure, and I've never seen him make that size bet. Unless I was picking up something that convinced me of a bluff, I'd certainly note his raise, and I'd fold, simply because I know I can find better spots and I don't want to gamble on a difficult decision when I have such a history/read on a player. I'd just lose the small raise and keep the info. If it happens with a frequency that seems off, I'm jamming the next time I'm strong in that situation. Fold/shove either way. I'd feel committed if I 4 bet, and the raise size doesn't make it worth set mining. Wait for more info and unleash "the hammer" if necessary imo.
This, in my opinion....
bergs
Royal Flush
This is from the same guy who admonished me for not folding KK to a limp min-reraise at 1/2.
bergs
Royal Flush
Probably a leak but I like flatting the $17 pre in this spot against a very tight player if we're OOP - I want first in vigorish so I can jam any flop that doesn't include a Q, K, or A. Q flop and I slow play depending on board texture, A or K and I probably check and reevaluate.
I think you can often get a tight player to lay down an overpair if you're deep enough to put pressure on them after the call preflop. There are also times when they're going to call with 99, TT, or JJ on a low board and pay you off.
I think you can often get a tight player to lay down an overpair if you're deep enough to put pressure on them after the call preflop. There are also times when they're going to call with 99, TT, or JJ on a low board and pay you off.
Chicken Rob
Full House
I will do so again. At 1/2, limp/re-raise means aces.
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