Requests to falsify customs forms (3 Viewers)

[Coyote]

I personnally never demanded any business to "falsify" records (my @ss)
I just pointed out how naive your idea of "democracy" is. Have you ever been informed about and agreed to , as a US citizen, to each and every CIA/NSA covert action? Have you chosen the people who would hate you ever after enough, to kill you?
Have you played any role in paying a lot more for BMWs in the US, in return for me paying absurd prices for basic Four Roses?

 

[tabletalker7]

I personnally never demanded any business to "falsify" records (my @ss)
I just pointed out how naive your idea of "democracy" is. Have you ever been informed about and agreed to , as a US citizen, to each and every CIA/NSA covert action? Have you chosen the people who would hate you ever after enough, to kill you?
Have you played any role in paying a lot more for BMWs in the US, in return for me paying absurd prices for basic Four Roses?

1. I never said you did. I said the solution to the problems is not asking a business to falsify records.
2. I voted against government officials who would curtain our freedoms.
3. I served my country. I know all about people wanting to kill me for my beliefs.
4. I don't want a BMW, or a Mercedes-Benz, or a Volkswagen. I am selling my Chrysler Crossfire because I am enjoying my Jeep Wrangler too much.

I don't know what kind of desperate point you are trying to prove here, and I don't care anymore. If me saying I back a small retailer not wanting to falsify documents gets you this fired up, that says more about you than it does about me. Please relax. Nobody wants this.

 

[Coyote]

Ok, forget about Four Roses, Small Batch or any.
I 'm reverting to local home-made Tsipouro.
This might cost you eventually your job, though, meaning no Jeep for you, dear.
Learn to know others, especially if your Polity is big enough for the world.

 

[tabletalker7]

Ok, forget about Four Roses, Small Batch or any.
I 'm reverting to local home-made Tsipouro.
This might cost you eventually your job, though, meaning no Jeep for you, dear.
Learn to know others, especially if your Polity is big enough for the world.

All I said was I back a small retailer not wanting to falsify documents. I was going to ask what your whole point actually is with trying to single me out, but I don't care anymore. Have fun in Greece buddy.

 

[BarrieJ3]

More on topic, it seems like have a set through @dennis63 is as much a need here as having at least one ceramic from ABC/BR. Excited to be choosing my desired setup and get that order in one day in the near future.

 

[BGinGA]

This is a paid Vendor forum thread, folks. Show some respect, and please try to keep it on topic as the vendor intended.

 

[dennis63]

Wow! That went off the rails fast.

I'm 56, and remember a time when people knew not to discuss two topics openly -- religion and politics. It seems we've strayed into the latter.

Taxes are a fact of life, and tax policy differs around the world. Everyone here can feel some sympathy for those who can't get the products they want due to geography, price, shipping costs, taxes, laws, etc.

In this situation, it's important for people to know two things:

First, I'm actively trying all the time to find ways to keep chip costs down, and even using business profits from non-chip sales and other activities to keep from raising chip prices.

Second (and the reason for the OP), because I have a licensed, regulated business, there are business records that have to be correct, connected to inventory records that have to be correct, connected to invoices that have to be correct, connected to shipping records that have to be correct, all of which end up going to the Internal Revenue Service every year in the form of business tax returns, which have to be correct and supported by all those other documents.

Between friends in a private trade, you could classify some chips as a gift, and the recipient could send some money back as a gift.

As a vendor, I can't do it that way. In a sense, when a customer asks to change the form, they're asking, ( completely without realizing it) "Hey, I'd like to save 30 or 40 percent. Could you eff up your business records and just go out of business (and maybe to jail) for me?

 

[w00zie]

Wow! That went off the rails fast.

I'm 56, and remember a time when people knew not to discuss two topics openly -- religion and politics. It seems we've strayed into the latter.

Taxes are a fact of life, and tax policy differs around the world. Everyone here can feel some sympathy for those who can't get the products they want due to geography, price, shipping costs, taxes, laws, etc.

In this situation, it's important for people to know two things:

First, I'm actively trying all the time to find ways to keep chip costs down, and even using business profits from non-chip sales and other activities to keep from raising chip prices.

Second (and the reason for the OP), because I have a licensed, regulated business, there are business records that have to be correct, connected to inventory records that have to be correct, connected to invoices that have to be correct, connected to shipping records that have to be correct, all of which end up going to the Internal Revenue Service every year in the form of business tax returns, which have to be correct and supported by all those other documents.

Between friends in a private trade, you could classify some chips as a gift, and the recipient could send some money back as a gift.

As a vendor, I can't do it that way. In a sense, when a customer asks to change the form, they're asking, ( completely without realizing it) "Hey, I'd like to save 30 or 40 percent. Could you eff up your business records and just go out of business (and maybe to jail) for me?

Well said, Dennis! I'm glad you're offering the amazing Key West chips to the public. They were my first poker chips and I still have a set which I love.

European countries put VAT on every good. The end consumer pays this VAT. Businesses get it back, they only pay net prices on goods or services. That sucks for us when buying from overseas because it makes goods much more expensive.

Falsifying the customs form on a package wouldn't "help" me personally because the customs office in my city doesn't care about what's written on that form. They want to see a receipt and charge me based on that. That means if I buy from a business I have to pay the correct amount. This might be different in other European countries.

I had packages being opened by the US customs before leaving the country and by German customs after arrival - but that's a security check of what's inside the package. The VAT thing is being done by my local customs office and they don't care who sent me a package and what's written on some form. Again, they request a proof of payment and charge me based on that.

 

[RainmanTrail]

I've had probably 50+ international transactions here, and in literally every single one of them, the buyer asked me to mark the package with a lower valuation. I get that you're running a business, so you want to keep everything on the up and up, but for all of us hobbyists that are just trading chips back and forth, your post tastes like sandpaper. Do you realize that you're calling nearly everyone here criminals and liars with no integrity? Lol

 

[RainmanTrail]

As usual, BGinGA is correct here.

I'm in Delaware, where there is no sales tax. So tax = $0.00. The business is still small enough to be exempt from paying taxes to states where I don't have a physical store, which is all of them.

And (BGinGA is correct again), I don't have to pay taxes or fees to export things. None of this stuff requires an export license.

So I don't charge anyone tax. I pay tax to my state on any profits, if we make them, at the end of the year.

I actually sat for two hours yesterday with a "mentor" from the U.S. Small Business Administration. He gave me four pieces of advice:

1. Stop selling chips. You're not making money on them. (Not gonna do this.)

2. Raise prices by 50 percent on most things. (Not gonna do this.)

3. Stop selling American-made goods and find new suppliers on the websites Etsy, Alibaba and Madeinchina. (Not gonna do this.)

4. Start accepting credit cards through Square.

As of last night, we now accept credit cards.

I'm no lawyer, but you might want to double check the sales tax laws when selling to other states if you haven't looked into it again very recently. The new laws took effect just last month for most of the country. A lot of people are being hit with unexpected sales taxes now.

 

[jja412]

I've had probably 50+ international transactions here, and in literally every single one of them, the buyer asked me to mark the package with a lower valuation. I get that you're running a business, so you want to keep everything on the up and up, but for all of us hobbyists that are just trading chips back and forth, your post tastes like sandpaper. Do you realize that you're calling nearly everyone here criminals and liars with no integrity? Lol

Dennis neither called anyone a criminal or a liar. But if the post "tastes like sandpaper" then maybe there is something to examine.

 

[hdgeno]

I personnally never demanded any business to "falsify" records (my @ss)
I just pointed out how naive your idea of "democracy" is. Have you ever been informed about and agreed to , as a US citizen, to each and every CIA/NSA covert action? Have you chosen the people who would hate you ever after enough, to kill you?
Have you played any role in paying a lot more for BMWs in the US, in return for me paying absurd prices for basic Four Roses?

So rich coming from a resident of Greece lol (sorry I couldn’t help myself)

 

[ekricket]

Try honestly to address first the multitude of legal, health insurance, social security, physical security, public safety, pregnancy, retirement and other issues you have with your own democratically ellected Government, if you can (because you can't) before offering lessons.
Tenderly,
Joe.

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You listen to the media too much, and obviously believe everything you hear.
You should become a citizen here and live here before you shoot your mouth off.


In The United States of America:
I have no problem with health insurance or medical issues, I pay my premiums and my medical bills when they come in.
I have no problem with social security, I have budgeted and saved so I do not need it if it’s not available. I’ll use it if it’s there in a few years, but not a big issue if it’s not.
I have no problems with physical security or public safety, I pretty much go anywhere and do anything I want and feel safe without having armed swat teams standing on every corner, or having to go through a metal detector to go to the grocery store.
I have no problems with pregnancy, me and my wife conceived three children and have raised them into responsible adults.
I have no problems with retirement, I worked industriously and saved what I needed and retired when I turned 55 - without any government assistance.

Perhaps you should elect a new government, because I’m pretty sure you can’t do any of these things wherever your from. Maybe if you could you wouldn’t belittle others that do take care of themselves and are not looking for their government to save them.

You listen to the media too much, and obviously believe everything you hear.
You should become a citizen here and live here before you shoot your mouth off.


In The United States of America:
I have no problem with health insurance or medical issues, I pay my premiums and my medical bills when they come in.
I have no problem with social security, I have budgeted and saved so I do not need it if it’s not available. I’ll use it if it’s there in a few years, but not a big issue if it’s not.
I have no problems with physical security or public safety, I pretty much go anywhere and do anything I want and feel safe without having armed swat teams standing on every corner, or having to go through a metal detector to go to the grocery store.
I have no problems with pregnancy, me and my wife conceived three children and have raised them into responsible adults.
I have no problems with retirement, I worked industriously and saved what I needed and retired when I turned 55 - without any government assistance.

Perhaps you should elect a new government, because I’m pretty sure you can’t do any of these things wherever your from. Maybe if you could you wouldn’t belittle others that do take care of themselves and are not looking for their government to save them.

Pretty sure all Dennis said is that he has more integrity than to lie to save a few bucks. Maybe if your countrymen had that same kind of integrity you wouldn’t be in the position you are in now.

Edited this with the correct usage of my country’s name.

 

[JMC9389]

I've had probably 50+ international transactions here, and in literally every single one of them, the buyer asked me to mark the package with a lower valuation. I get that you're running a business, so you want to keep everything on the up and up, but for all of us hobbyists that are just trading chips back and forth, your post tastes like sandpaper. Do you realize that you're calling nearly everyone here criminals and liars with no integrity? Lol

200 × 199

 

[w00zie]

In America:

Where? (Sorry, also couldn't help myself...)

 

[dennis63]

Do you realize that you're calling nearly everyone here criminals and liars with no integrity? Lol

I'm not accusing you or anyone of being a criminal or lacking integrity. I am stating some facts that people who don't live in the United States may not know -- that falsifying the form is a crime defined in federal and state law and, because of that, I can't change the form, so please don't ask me to.

I'm no lawyer, but you might want to double check the sales tax laws when selling to other states if you haven't looked into it again very recently. The new laws took effect just last month for most of the country. A lot of people are being hit with unexpected sales taxes now.

This is correct and good information. It is changing, radically, how I must do business and even threatens the existance of my business and many others. Laws like this may, in fact, spell an end to online commerce as we know it.

Including "integrity" in the comments? I generally don't deal with anyone who asks me to change the form because nearly every time someone asked and I sold them something, they tried some kind of scam to get the money from me instead. Not counting international customers who want the form changed, I still get one scammer a week trying to get chips for free or otherwise steal from me. I've had 300 chips stolen this year, and one customer got 700 chips and paid for 200.

Maybe things like this make integrity a sensitive issue for me, but integrity matters.

 

[WedgeRock]

Wait.

Why is it cool for Dennis, as a businessman, to refuse to forge customs documents, but an individual can't use the same rationale? Why is an individual obligated to indulge the request?

 

[Klobberer]

Ugh...

 

[Payback]

Just posting a friendly reminder that this is a vendors subforum and that it isn't the politics area. If you want to talk politics take it to that forum. Basically don't derail the intent of the OP here.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Holy crap guys. Dennis does a very clear and respectful post, and it becomes this?!?

I'm sorry Dennis, thanks for what you do. I'll never understand why people twist this shit into a battle when you were clearly just explaining why you won't illegally falsify forms. Jesus.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

Holy crap guys. Dennis does a very clear and respectful post, and it becomes this?!?

I'm sorry Dennis, thanks for what you do. I'll never understand why people twist this shit into a battle when you were clearly just explaining why you won't illegally falsify forms. Jesus.

+1,000,000.

 

[HobokenNJ]

Perhaps it's time to close this thread?

Esp. when it looks like some folks are coming close to admitting to have committed felonies (based on my quick googling).

And, yes, the answer is pretty clear -- falsifying custom forms does make you a liar and does call into question your integrity. (The definition is straightforward: "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.").

 

[Josh Kifer]

I've had probably 50+ international transactions here, and in literally every single one of them, the buyer asked me to mark the package with a lower valuation. I get that you're running a business, so you want to keep everything on the up and up, but for all of us hobbyists that are just trading chips back and forth, your post tastes like sandpaper. Do you realize that you're calling nearly everyone here criminals and liars with no integrity? Lol

 

[BGinGA]

Holy crap guys. Dennis does a very clear and respectful post, and it becomes this?!?

I'm sorry Dennis, thanks for what you do. I'll never understand why people twist this shit into a battle when you were clearly just explaining why you won't illegally falsify forms. Jesus.

Well said. And not very troll-like, fwiw.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Well said. And not very troll-like, fwiw.

My have my faults, sometimes I just can't do it and I gotta speak from my black, tar filled heart.

 

[hdgeno]

In all honesty, I've had packages marked with a lower value a time or two, but usually I'm ok with packages being marked for the actual value.

This is good information posted by @dennis63 and I never knew how serious of an offence that is. I know that I'll never ask again with this new information, and feel bad now that I ever have.

I apologize for my contribution to derailing this thread, thanks Dennis for being a man of integrity!

 

[RainmanTrail]

Really? That's what you walked away with after reading my post? Lol. OK

I was pointing out that in 100% of my international transactions (and over a fairly large sample size mind you), the buyers have made this request. 100%. 100%. Perhaps you missed that statistic. I guess it bares repeating; 100% of international buyers in over 50 transactions have asked for this.

You can go ahead and stand on your high horse though, Captain Virtue. I'm just pointing out that in my experience, 100% of our international members disagree with you even though they're not in here discussing it. A lot of people view these import fees as a bullshit shakedown. That doesn't mean they lack integrity just because they want to avoid some bullshit fees.

Thanks for helping me out with my list though. Keep up the good work captain.

 

[Josh Kifer]

Really? That's what you walked away with after reading my post? Lol. OK

I was pointing out that in 100% of my international transactions (and over a fairly large sample size mind you), the buyers have made this request. 100%. 100%. Perhaps you missed that statistic. I guess it bares repeating; 100% of international buyers in over 50 transactions have asked for this.

You can go ahead and stand on your high horse though, Captain Virtue. I'm just pointing out that in my experience, 100% of our international members disagree with you even though they're not in here discussing it. A lot of people view these import fees as a bullshit shakedown. That doesn't mean they lack integrity just because they want to avoid some bullshit fees.

Thanks for helping me out with my list though. Keep up the good work captain.

Haha. I thought it was hilarious tho. But my response was based off of you saying.. "I break the law sometimes, and you implied I'm bad because I break the law"

No. He didn't. He said he won't do it. I don't think he cares if you do, he just won't do it and said it in a very respectful manner.

You explained your point. But saying Dennis was saying anything against anyone making there own choice like it was against them is bluntly false. He said his point in fair way. And I agree, the fees are stupid. I think alot of laws are stupid, but, I can still follow them...

and that movie is amazing.... it's his vendor forum, and his post... You should open a post about the horrid bullshit known as VAT in your forum. I'll post movie clips there. Promise!

 

[Coyote]

I lost temper yesterday, reacting to two members who insulted me (and not just me, I felt).
Apologies to all other members, and especially to the OP, for this.

 

[ReallyGoodUsername]