Tourney Small denomination STT tournament set/stacks... T1 base? (1 Viewer)

[Eloe2000]

I am very new here and have been searching quite a bit for an answer to this question. I already have a cash game set squared away, but am already feeling the burn for some nice Paulsons. My question is that since it is much easier (and cheaper so that I can justify the purchase) to acquire small denom $1, $5, $25, $100 Paulsons, does anyone ever use these for STT tourneys? We have a regular 8 person single rebuy tournament. Would a T1 base T1K tournament be feasible? T5 base better? Try to find quarter fracs as a base? Is there some reason to completely avoid small denom tournaments? How do others approach this?

 

[Beakertwang]

Certainly is feasible. If you start at 2/4, that's 250 big blinds for starting stacks. I usually start at 200BB and the game lasts about 4 hours.

Paulson tourney chips tend to be more affordable in the higher denoms, so you could go that route, if you don't mind solids.

 

[AK Chip]

1,5,25,100 should play the same as higher denoms. Even better than some breakdowns.

 

[AK Chip]

There could be a security issue if you used the same chips for both cash and tourney (people pocketing tourney chips then trying to cash them in during cash game)

 

[Eloe2000]

There could be a security issue if you used the same chips for both cash and tourney (people pocketing tourney chips then trying to cash them in during cash game)

It is a very friendly group that has been playing together for 7 years. Security isn't an issue, but thanks for bringing it up.

 

[wonderpuddle]

I occasionally host a dollar for dollar tourneys where $100 gets you $100 in chips and we start blinds at .25. It basically works like a 10k with a t25 base. The benefit of running it as dollar for dollar is we allow top offs after the rebuy period — in other words, if someone had $72 after rebuys ended, they could buy another $28 in chips. It builds the pot a bit.

A set of 80 quarters, 80 dollars, 80 fives and 20 $25s would supports a T.25 STT (8/8/8/2 starting stacks). Round up for color ups and rebuys. You can do it with 300 chips though 400 would be more flexible.

 

[Eloe2000]

Certainly is feasible. If you start at 2/4, that's 250 big blinds for starting stacks. I usually start at 200BB and the game lasts about 4 hours.

Paulson tourney chips tend to be more affordable in the higher denoms, so you could go that route, if you don't mind solids.

Thanks! This is definitely an option I see. But I have been looking at past sales etc, and there have definitely been some low denom sets that look exciting so I just want to figure out to work it in case I come across something really interesting in the low denoms and need to jump on it quick.

 

[Eloe2000]

I occasionally host a dollar for dollar tourney where $100 gets you $100 in chips and we start blinds at .25. It basically works like a 10k with a t25 base. The benefit of running it as dollar for dollar is we allow top offs after the rebuy period — in other words, if someone had $72 after rebuys ended, they could buy another $28 in chips. It builds the pot a bit.

Yeah, I can definitely see how it translates over really nicely from a T25/T100/T500/T1k T10k tourney structure. If only those quarters are easy to find.

Thank you!

 

[wonderpuddle]

Yeah, I can definitely see how it translates over really nicely from a T25/T100/T500/T1k T10k tourney structure. If only those quarters are easy to find.

Thank you!

Relabel.

 

[Eloe2000]

Certainly is feasible. If you start at 2/4, that's 250 big blinds for starting stacks. I usually start at 200BB and the game lasts about 4 hours.

Paulson tourney chips tend to be more affordable in the higher denoms, so you could go that route, if you don't mind solids.

I have definitely seen some that I like. I see a lot of non denominated solids so far. This is an option I am going to consider, more so if denominated. Thank you!

 

[Eloe2000]

Seems like a 15, 12, 9, 7 stack of T1/T5/T25/T100 might be a manageable T1K. Its a lot of chips, but who doesn't like chips

 

[Beakertwang]

I would prefer 10/13/9/7. No reason to have a bunch of 1's, just to color them up early.

 

[markleteenie]

@Eloe2000 did you run this T1 base? I am putting together a set and trying to figure out ideal numbers for T100s and T500s.

 

[BGinGA]

trying to figure out ideal numbers for T100s and T500s.

Both T1-base and T.25-base sets will work fine, although they should not serve dual-purpose usage as cash game sets, due to the potential game/bank security risk.

Typical single-table T1-base tournament set:
T1000 starting stacks (15/12/9/7), 250BB with 2/4 starting blinds
150 x T1
120 x T5
90 x T25
90 x T100 (extras used for T1 color-up and re-buys)
10 x T500 (used for T5/T25 color-ups)
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460 chips. This set breakdown minimizes change-making, with both lower denominations in the preferred 12-16 chip range.

Alternate single-table T1-base tournament set:
T1000 starting stacks (10/8/10/7), 250BB with 2/4 starting blinds
100 x T1
80 x T5
100 x T25
100 x T100
20 x T500
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400 chips, can support up to T1500 starting stacks. With only 8-10 each of the two lowest denominations, this breakdown creates a smaller, more flexible, and more aesthetically-pleasing set overall, but at the cost of barely-sufficient chips for the first 10 blind levels. That's a lot of extra change-making.


And FWIW:

Typical single-table T.25-base tournament set
T200 starting stacks (12/12/7/6), 200BB with .50/1 starting blinds
120 x T.25
120 x T1
70 x T5
80 x T25 (extras used for T.25 color-up and re-buys)
10 x T100 (used for T1/T5 color-ups)
----------
400 chips. One of the most efficient tournament set breakdowns possible.

 

[Eloe2000]

@Eloe2000 did you run this T1 base? I am putting together a set and trying to figure out ideal numbers for T100s and T500s.

Wow, what a blast from the past. This post was about two weeks after I joined PCF. Obviously the tournament breakdown master has spoken with the best advice. But to answer your question, no, I didn’t end up doing he T1 base. All of my tournament sets so far have been T25. But the two ones I am working on currently are going to be T5 (great denoms because it eliminates any weird small jumps in value since all are 4x or 5x other than the 5th denom) base and T100 (because that’s what we are used to playing in all of our local casinos).

 

[markleteenie]

Thanks for the response this is really close to what I was thinking.

Both T1-base and T.25-base sets will work fine, although they should not serve dual-purpose usage as cash game sets, due to the potential game/bank security risk.

This is a NCV set with values 1-500 with primary use for my craps table. This will only ever be tournament style or more likely play money. No cash overlap/risk.

Typical single-table T1-base tournament set:
T1000 starting stacks (15/12/9/7), 250BB with 2/4 starting blinds
150 x T1
120 x T5
90 x T25
90 x T100 (extras used for T1 color-up and re-buys)
10 x T500 (used for T5/T25 color-ups)
----------
460 chips. This set breakdown minimizes change-making, with both lower denominations in the preferred 12-16 chip range.

How would you suggest cutting out rebuys? 5/1 of T100/T500 for the first few and then 2 x T500s for the remainder?
Also, how would you scale this set to 25 people with rebuys? Just 2.5 your previous numbers?

I have the potential to add on more to my set but the numbers I currently have are:
400 x T1 (Need 375)
500 x T5 (Need 300)
260 x T25 (Need 225)
180 x T100 (Need 175 min + color ups/rebuys?)
80 x T500 (Need 55? 25 for color ups and 30 for ~15 rebuys)

It seems like my T100 numbers are my current bottleneck. How many T100s would be ideal?

As an aside for context, the set I run as the craps table bank is:
320 x T1
480 x T5
240 x T25
a) 80 x T100 Or b) 100 T100
a) 40x T500 Or b) 20 T500

 

[nostan]

8-players

For a T1-base, with a 500-starting stack:

Do you think 10/13/5/3 could work? Rebuys with T500.

 

[JScott]

Both T1-base and T.25-base sets will work fine, although they should not serve dual-purpose usage as cash game sets, due to the potential game/bank security risk.

Typical single-table T1-base tournament set:
T1000 starting stacks (15/12/9/7), 250BB with 2/4 starting blinds
150 x T1
120 x T5
90 x T25
90 x T100 (extras used for T1 color-up and re-buys)
10 x T500 (used for T5/T25 color-ups)
----------
460 chips. This set breakdown minimizes change-making, with both lower denominations in the preferred 12-16 chip range.

Alternate single-table T1-base tournament set:
T1000 starting stacks (10/8/10/7), 250BB with 2/4 starting blinds
100 x T1
80 x T5
100 x T25
100 x T100
20 x T500
----------
400 chips, can support up to T1500 starting stacks. With only 8-10 each of the two lowest denominations, this breakdown creates a smaller, more flexible, and more aesthetically-pleasing set overall, but at the cost of barely-sufficient chips for the first 10 blind levels. That's a lot of extra change-making.


And FWIW:

Typical single-table T.25-base tournament set
T200 starting stacks (12/12/7/6), 200BB with .50/1 starting blinds
120 x T.25
120 x T1
70 x T5
80 x T25 (extras used for T.25 color-up and re-buys)
10 x T100 (used for T1/T5 color-ups)
----------
400 chips. One of the most efficient tournament set breakdowns possible.

I know this is an old post. But I'm putting together a cheapish paulson tournament set from my Jack's and before I go crazy re-labelling, Could you do that breakdown with T500 Starting stacks instead of T1000? I don't have enough T100's to do an MTT (16) with that breakdown.

Ideally I'd like to try a 16 person T1 base, T500 stack, 1 re-buy, bounty tournament. And while I KNOW this isn't ideal trying to fit the tournament to a poorly laid out breakdown, maybe we can make it work.

I have the TCR used jack set with 300 x 1's, 300 x 5's, 160 x 25's, 100 X 100's and 40 x 500's, I also have 10-12 x 1000's if needed.

Could really use help with starting stacks and blind structure. And YES, this will be a dedicated Tournament set. I already have quite a few cash sets.



Options are as follows: (ignore colour up and rebuy #'s as that's leftover from my T100 tournament set)
T500

or

T1000