Stained/Discolored Inlay (1 Viewer)

Thank you all. I learn trough your messages. The only thing i can say: i never clean this chips. I receive them like this and i contact the buyer who sell me some time ago, he say " i never really take care of this decoloration".

I will continue not to clean my chips, it seems to bring more problem than something else.

Regards.

Sorry for my english.
 
I hesitate to reply with the link @BGinGA because I have zero interest in any argument between myself and the seller. That doesn't belong here. I was only looking for some experienced chippers to chime in on what they thought the issue with the chips was and if there were anything anyone thought could be been done about them.

I don't want to turn this into a debate of if the seller is right or if I am right for asking for a refund etc. I have made the decision to keep the chips and relabel them.

If there is anything healthy to add, which may make someone else better informed for future purchase decisions, I am all ears. But I have moved on and we'll see how I proceed after relabeling them.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Paulson-To...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
 
Not knowing how Paulson attaches the inlays to the chips, but it seems to be too "standardized" across the chips -- the pictures show this perfect ring on numerous chips and, if it was from oiling, you'd expect it to spread differently across different chips and probably see a noticeable entry point to the labels.

Maybe the adhesive was contaminated? Or does Paulson use a "ring" type device to press the inlays? A heated ring, plus a bad batch of adhesive, might have caused a chemical reaction that created the discoloration...
 
This was the first thread where I have read of what excess oil can do to a Paulson inlay. I thought they were pretty much impervious to anything being that the inlay was pressed in place.
So did a lot of people at one time. It was first brought to my attention after the release of the very large quantity of primary set PCA chips -- they were nasty filthy, and a variety of different cleaning methods were in use (and being explored/tested) at that time.

Simple Green, Resolve Carpet Cleaner, OxyClean, automotive tire/rim cleaners, etc. were all being tried at various strengths, temperatures, and soak times in an effort to acheive a cleaning approach that would effectively remove the sludge and grime with minimal effort, time, and damage to the chips.

It was discovered that a combination of excessive temperature and soak times would actually cause many solutions to seep under inlays, and shaped inlays were definitely more susceptible to this type of damage. Depending on the type (and cleanliness) of the solution, it would either eventually evaporate completely leaving no trace, or leave a discoloration similar to the chips referenced in this thread.

At the same time, a variety of different oiling methods were also explored, in an effort to minimize the amount of time and effort required to adequately oil thousands of chips. It was discovered that excessive oil soak times could cause a similar discoloration effect on chips containing shaped inlays.

It was around that same time when additional testing and experimentation was performed to determine what solutions were safe or not for hot-stamped chips, and commonly available chips using other material compositions than older leaded Paulson (new Paulsons, BCC, ASM, ceramics, and china clays).
 
Not knowing how Paulson attaches the inlays to the chips, but it seems to be too "standardized" across the chips -- the pictures show this perfect ring on numerous chips and, if it was from oiling, you'd expect it to spread differently across different chips and probably see a noticeable entry point to the labels.

Maybe the adhesive was contaminated? Or does Paulson use a "ring" type device to press the inlays? A heated ring, plus a bad batch of adhesive, might have caused a chemical reaction that created the discoloration...
Nothing to do with the adhesive imo.

Compression-molded chips start with a raw clay slug cut out of a sheet of clay (with or without added inserts of of other clay colors in various shapes and sizes), and the inlays are dab-glued (an extremely small amount) to each side of the slug merely to ensure that they don't move during the pre-pressing process.

Constucted slugs are placed in the mold (with top and bottom cups containing the mold markings) and pressed together at high heat and temperature to squeeze all of the slug components together.

It is the compression of the mold components that creates the uniform configuration around and under the inlay.

Spotted inlaid chips typically receive two pressings -- one to create the spotted chip by fusing all of the inserts together, followed by a second pressing to add the inlay. Notewothy that the first pressing may be using a mold design different than that of the final mold design. It is this double pressing that sometimes creates ghosting (double mold images) or double-mold impressions (where images of two different molds can be seen).
 
Probably all originally cleaned by the same person/process.
 
Probably all originally cleaned by the same person/process.

The auction I bought was from a gentleman in Switzerland, this auction is from a gentleman in France. Anything is possible, but probable??
 
Lots of those chips move around Europe freely. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they both originally came from a larger lot.
 
If anyone has chips with discoloured/damaged inlays and can't stand playing with them I am always interested in candidates for relabeling (at a nice discount of course :p).

Grant
 

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