T5/T25/T100 Tournament Set Advice Needed (1 Viewer)

[MrRossKeys]

40k stacks for 10 players = 400,000 bank.

1 rebuy per person = 400,000 + (400,000) = 800,000

1 Add-on per person = 200,000 + (800,000) = 1,000,000

So the maximum you have to be able to cover with chips is 1,000,000 for 1 table.

For 2 tables of 20 players you would double the numbers... for a possible maximum of 2,000,000 (if everyone rebought and added on, which is unlikely).

When you reach the later rounds of any tournament your blinds will be high enough that you won't need the bottom 3-4 denoms anymore. This would leave you with your 5k and 25k chips.

40x T25000 chips covers 1,000,000 in chip value, which wouldn't be enough for your 2,000,000 bank requirement. But the good news is that your 200x T5000 chips is actually also 1,000,000 in chip value........ This means that when you color the remaining players up you would have enough between the T5000 and T25000 to cover 2,000,000 in chip value. And, there would never be a situation where you would run out of chips to cover the value, as long as you don't run a tourney with more than 20 players at 40k starting, or don't require a bank of more than 2,000,000.

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So, short answer, yes, your proposed set breakdown would cover your 40k starting stack and structure.

 

[MeridianFC]

Every tournament format has it's upside and downside. I used a T5 based set up initially and it worked fine. I've moved to T25 but don't let that influence you. Listen to @BGinGA who is the resident tournament guru. You might find this of use too:

https://www.homepokertourney.org/blinds_samples.htm

BTW thanks to whoever brought that back!

 

[rebels9999]

Wow, I really like this! I decided to drop the T5 based upon the helpful comments from everyone above, and I like your T25 and T100 structures. Having two options provides more flexibility.

Additionally, @BGinGA mentioned in a different thread that if designing a new CPC set from scratch it would be the following:

200 x T25
200 x T100
100 x T500
200 x T1000
200 x T5000
100 x T25000
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1000 chips

Allows T25-, T100-, and T500-base events.

So, I'm almost ready to pull the trigger. I like your T25/T100 structures and I think I'm going to follow @BGinGA and buy the dream set of 1,000 chips above. What I'm not knowledgeable enough to figure out (without my head exploding) is can that set also handle this:

T100-base ($40k stacks = 200bb, 100/200)
Up to 20 players
15/5/11/5 (I read 15 x T100 makes for easier BBA, less making change)
1 Rebuy per person, $40k chips (error on high side)
1 Add-on per person $20k chips (assume everyone does an add-on)
2 T1000 chips for arriving on time (idea from another PCF member)
1 T500 chip for having exact change (idea from another PCF member)

That's a lot to unpack, especially for me. I'm hopeful, the set above can handle that.

If not, what additional chips would I need?

I sincerely appreciate everyone's comments and help so far. This is such a great forum. Lots of people, generous with their advice and time.

If you plan on doing a bounty tournament, I’d go ahead and add in 20ish bounty chips in there as well.

 

[digirati]

40k stacks for 10 players = 400,000 bank.

1 rebuy per person = 400,000 + (400,000) = 800,000

1 Add-on per person = 200,000 + (800,000) = 1,000,000

So the maximum you have to be able to cover with chips is 1,000,000 for 1 table.

For 2 tables of 20 players you would double the numbers... for a possible maximum of 2,000,000 (if everyone rebought and added on, which is unlikely).

When you reach the later rounds of any tournament your blinds will be high enough that you won't need the bottom 3-4 denoms anymore. This would leave you with your 5k and 25k chips.

40x T25000 chips covers 1,000,000 in chip value, which wouldn't be enough for your 2,000,000 bank requirement. But the good news is that your 200x T5000 chips is actually also 1,000,000 in chip value........ This means that when you color the remaining players up you would have enough between the T5000 and T25000 to cover 2,000,000 in chip value. And, there would never be a situation where you would run out of chips to cover the value, as long as you don't run a tourney with more than 20 players at 40k starting, or don't require a bank of more than 2,000,000.

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So, short answer, yes, your proposed set breakdown would cover your 40k starting stack and structure.

Fantastic! Thanks for making that calculation so easy to follow.

 

[digirati]

If you plan on doing a bounty tournament, I’d go ahead and add in 20ish bounty chips in there as well.

OK, I'll do that too. Thank you!

 

[CallingStation614]

Hey, I want to reuse this thread because there is already osme discussion going on and I have a similar question.

Situation now:
I host a monthly tournament, we're 6-9 players. We do a T25 base with 10k starting stack (200BBs), which proved to be perfect. Some players are not very experienced and having 200BBs gives some breathing room. Our blind structure gives us 4,5-5,5 hours of play which is fine.

I want to try a T100 base tournament in the future with the same group. I'll build a 600pcs set and would love to have some suggestions on the breakdown. Ideally we would have again 200BBs starting stack so it "feels" similar to the T25 tournament. I figure I'd need to get most of 100's and 1k's? The group is a case of "more chips, better", so I'd prefer having 20x 100 in the starting stack, as well as more 500s and 1k than usual. This should be possible with 600 chips total, but I can't really translate my T25 breakdown to the T100.

 

[BGinGA]

Hey, I want to reuse this thread because there is already osme discussion going on and I have a similar question.

Situation now:
I host a monthly tournament, we're 6-9 players. We do a T25 base with 10k starting stack (200BBs), which proved to be perfect. Some players are not very experienced and having 200BBs gives some breathing room. Our blind structure gives us 4,5-5,5 hours of play which is fine.

I want to try a T100 base tournament in the future with the same group. I'll build a 600pcs set and would love to have some suggestions on the breakdown. Ideally we would have again 200BBs starting stack so it "feels" similar to the T25 tournament. I figure I'd need to get most of 100's and 1k's? The group is a case of "more chips, better", so I'd prefer having 20x 100 in the starting stack, as well as more 500s and 1k than usual. This should be possible with 600 chips total, but I can't really translate my T25 breakdown to the T100.

T25-base 10k stack tournament (200bb with 25-50 blinds) essentially equates to:

A. T25-base 20k tourney (200bb w/50-100)
B. T100-base 40k tourney (200bb w/100-200)

T100-base starting stacks of 15/5/11/5 (40k) for 10 players requires:

150 x T100
50 x T500
125 x T1000 (15x for T100 color-up)
55 x T5000 (5x for T500 color-up)
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380 chips

If wanting super-sized monster stacks requiring a massive number of unnecessary chips, use a 20/10/18/3 = 40k breakdown:

200 x T100
100 x T500
200 x T1000 (20x for T100 color-ups)
40 x T5000 (10x for T500 color-ups)
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540 chips

To reach 600 chips, add 60x T5000 (or 50x T5000 & 10x T25000) to handle optional re-buys or larger starting stacks.

 

[CallingStation614]

T25-base 10k stack tournament (200bb with 25-50 blinds) essentially equates to:

A. T25-base 20k tourney (200bb w/50-100)
B. T100-base 40k tourney (200bb w/100-200)

T100-base starting stacks of 15/5/11/5 (40k) for 10 players requires:

150 x T100
50 x T500
125 x T1000 (15x for T100 color-up)
55 x T5000 (5x for T500 color-up)
-----------
380 chips

If wanting super-sized monster stacks requiring a massive number of unnecessary chips, use a 20/10/18/3 = 40k breakdown:

200 x T100
100 x T500
200 x T1000 (20x for T100 color-ups)
40 x T5000 (10x for T500 color-ups)
----------
540 chips

To reach 600 chips, add 60x T5000 (or 50x T5000 & 10x T25000) to handle optional re-buys or larger starting stacks.

I‘ll consider naming my home game „the super-sized monster stack tournament requiring a massive amount of unnecessary chips“ lol…

Thanks for the input.

 

[upNdown]

Reasons to consider a T25 base:

$25 chips are the red-headed step-child of all denominations. The T100 base tourney operators don't use them. The cash hosts would rather have three mountains worth of $5 on the table before getting a single $25 chip into play.

This means that $25 chips tend to be plentiful and inexpensive compared to other denoms, and you can fill in your tourney (and cash) sets fairly painlessly.

Smart point about the $25s, but considering most T25 tournaments are going to require a fair amount of $1ks, and maybe even $5ks, I'm not sure how you're going to build it painlessly. This to me illustrates the one good reason to build a T5 tournament set in 2024 - it's a whole lot cheaper if you're doing it with casino cash chips.
My opinion would be to do a T100 tournament set with ceramics or other cheaper chips, so you don't have to break the bank to do it. I haven't seen a casino doing anything other than T100 in years, so it just makes sense to me. If you look at the WSOP structure sheets, even their low buyin fixed limit tournaments are T100 based. I wonder what they've done with all their T25s . . .

 

[allforcharity]

This to me illustrates the one good reason to build a T5 tournament set in 2024 - it's a whole lot cheaper if you're doing it with casino cash chips.

Even cheaper still if you build a T1 base.

 

[Grimalkin]

I ran my first T100 base 50k stack last weekend and I loved it. However I found 15 x 100 black chips in starting stack causes a lot of change making, I’m not sure if 20x chips is too many or will fix the change making, but next tourney I’ll be going with 20 just to try it out and see if it’s any better.

I did 15/9/14/6 (44 chips) = 50k.

Reloads and rebuys got a single 25k chip and 5 x 5k chips. Overall the game was very smooth and I never felt lacking for 1k or 5k chips. The only thing I felt was lacking as mentioned was too little black chips (maybe).

 

[maxim_666666]

To be honest, in your case everything could be much simpler. T5 is a completely normal option. I even played with T1 (cash set) (for example, the maximum chip that may not be needed is T500. But usually T100 is enough).
The betting structure can be adjusted for anything and any denomination.
But in my opinion there is a problem with the chips... For T5 you can find them in large quantities and at a reasonable price. But where do you buy T5000, T25K? If your eyes are on Paulson, all hell will break loose. The only reasonable alternative. And it’s also cheaper, it’s CPC.
I can't understand this story: "if your newbies go to play in a casino..". But that's their problem. You won’t call them and ask, “hey buddy, what’s up? Is it more convenient there than with my breakdown?”.
If you want to pay as little as possible for quality chips. T25 is your option.
If you want to get the feeling of a casino, then your choice is T100. But then you will inevitably encounter the T25 chip and its cost. Because there are very few of them. To get the “casino” feeling, you need to go to the casino. In home games, a friendly atmosphere and fun are much more important.