Though spot with QK cashgame 1$/2$ (1 Viewer)

[Marius L]

Hi guys. I just got home from a nice game at the local club and I have been thinking a bit about a hand I played so wanted to hear your opinion on it.

Some context:
The game is NLHE 10/20 blinds (local currency, or about $1/$2), and its 7 handed at the moment. I'm new to the club as I had my first session there yesterday night, and so this is my second session. I'm also not used to playing these stakes, as my homegame is usually 1/2 or 5/5 blinds. (10c/20c or 50c/50c), and so this game is a bit out of my comfort zone. The game today played very differently from yesterdays, as yesterday there were quite a lot of people drinking around the table and the action was great. Today not so much, but there were still a few fish around the table to keep it worthwhile to stay.

My opponents in the hand:
SB. (5000) Solid reg. One of the better players at the table.
BB. (1500) Random fish. One of the two fish that kep the game running.
UTG (2000) (HERO) Nitty and solid image, but also not afraid to get it in. I had just lost a 200bb pot after 3bet-pushing with over cards and a flush draw on J85hh and being snap-called by two pair and they might think i was a bit tilted. (The regs probably knew I was playing higher than usual, and i assume they belived they have an edge on me considering their live experience and me being new to the club)
MP (4000) seems like a solid reg (also playing an online turnament on his laptop while playing.)

The hand:
I wake up with KQs utg, and open to 100. I get called by MP and both blinds.

(pot is: 400)
Flop is KhKcJs rainbow. SB checks, BB bets 100, I call, MP calls and SB calls.
I just flat this flop because I'm not really affraid of any draws and my hand seems super good at this point. I guess i could just raise it up here, but figure I can get the money in on later streets easier.

(pot 800)
Turn is a 3s. sb and bb check to me, I bet 400. MP folds, SB calls and BB folds. So we are heads up to the river.

(pot 1600)
River is a 8h. SB bets out 1300 in front which is basically putting me allin (I have 1400 at this point.) What do I do here, and why?

 

[Trihonda]

Just gross. I don't play these stakes, so the numbers are still swimming in my head. My first thought is leaning towards a call. But I think it's more a crying call. Lots of hands beat you.

AK, KJ, JJ, K3, K8, 33, 88

However, I think we'd need more table and game info on the SB. You say the table might perceive you as tilty, but your opening up from UTG shows some strength. But then the flatting the flop might hide some of your strength...

I think to get check calls from the SB on the flop and turn, and then led into on the river, also wreaks of strength (or his belief you're weak). What hands would this guy take this line with? KT? K9? Air?

You're risking 1300 to win a 2900 pot. and at least 7 hands beat you.

Others might advise a fold. I just have a hard time making this decision without more information/table read, etc...

 

[Mr Tree]

River bets like this are rarely a bluff unless you have some history with the player or they are one of the donks here at a meetup. [emoji3]

Honestly to me this reeks of a hand where you have been trapped for some time and now the teeth are closing in. I would advocate that I think the big mistake in this hand was opening the betting with KQ UTG

In before Dr Stramge can say RIO!

 

[tripleflatbarrel]

River bets like this are rarely a bluff unless you have some history with the player or they are one of the donks here at a meetup. [emoji3]

Honestly to me this reeks of a hand where you have been trapped for some time and now the teeth are closing in. I would advocate that I think the big mistake in this hand was opening the betting with KQ UTG

In before Dr Stramge can say RIO!

KQs UTG 7 handed seems perfectly fine to me.

4 way pot? Don't flat the flop bet. Bombs away.

 

[Trihonda]

KQs UTG 7 handed seems perfectly fine to me.

4 way pot? Don't flat the flop bet. Bombs away.

Ya, I was sorta thinking the same thing. That river bet doesn't seem like a bluff... Would they do that w/ KT and not think it's a bluff due to the line we took?

Initially I was wondering about the opening UTG with KQ, but 7 handed might be fine. I also think that bombing the flop would be good. As it definitely get 33 and 88 to fold, and possibly a weaker K, such as K3 or K8. However, it's going to be hard to push someone off even a weak K here.

 

[DrStrange]

I read this to be 10/20 local currency that works out to be a bit bigger then $1/$2 US Dollars.

Not time for a deep review. Hero is playing 100BB. Raising KQs is marginal from UTG but acceptable. I'd play the hand vs a weak table and fold vs strong players.

Hero has an SPR less than five and flops trips, good kicker. Not folding!

Hero takes a tricky trappy line. OK so the trap worked. Call and see who was trapping who.

I don't like how passively SB played the hand. But Hero is labeled "scared money", yet another reason not to fold.

Bottom line - Hero's hand became pot committed on the flop. Pay up

DrStrange

 

[DrStrange]

Regarding RIO risks - Hero's stack is 100bb. He will be playing for top pair hands, though hoping for better. Hero can stack off properly with TP/GK in such a low SPR environments.

If Hero had been playing 500bb deep, then the awful position + risk of flopping second best means it was a fold preflop due to the RIO risks.

 

[thorwilliam]

Preflop is fine I think. Even though a bit marginal I would always open KQs utg 7 handed. I would usually open a bit smaller, like 70, but 100 should be ok.
If BB bet big, like 300+ I might slowplay, but since he bet so small I would always raise multiway. By just calling the small bet we invite all draws and pairs to call with a hand we most likely will go broke with if they make a better hand.
OTR we are probably beat, but I guess we have a hand we can't fold. I call expecting to lose most of the time.

 

[Marius L]

Interesting feedback.

(and yes, it is 10/20 local currency which is about the same as 1/2 usd.)

I think pre-flop is not the issue here. I think 7handed KQs is good enough to open from every position. I will thread carefully if I get 3bet or if I flop a top pair kind of hand though. I guess I could make it 70-80 instead, but the standard raise in the game was 100-120, so I just went with the flow of the game. I belive most of the players were calling with the same hands regardless of if I make it 70 or 100.
On the flop I read BBs bet as very weak, and I assume he will fold to a raise. I'm calling hoping that one of the guys behind me will read the bet and my call the same way and maybe try to steal the pot away from us, but I will certainly raise this flop a decent % of the time as well. Would be interesting to see how the hand plays out if I raise here instead.

As played though, betting the turn seems straight forward, but I'm still torn on the river decission. Is he ever valuebetting hands that we beat? What hands is he posibly bluffing with here?

 

[Anthony Martino]

I also think that bombing the flop would be good. As it definitely get 33 and 88 to fold, and possibly a weaker K, such as K3 or K8. However, it's going to be hard to push someone off even a weak K here.

Why would we ever want our opponents to fold hands we're beating on the flop? We want them to call when behind and fold when ahead.

but I'm still torn on the river decission. Is he ever valuebetting hands that we beat? What hands is he posibly bluffing with here?

It doesn't look like a bluff to me. That being said, there are Kings in his range here he could be value-betting that you beat, given the way the hand played out. He could think any K here is good given the way the betting went. Of course he could also have you beat, but I think I'd make the crying call here.

 

[onerand]

You have underrepresented your hand. Call. SB may read you for AA or QQ. You beat more kings than you lose to.

 

[AlPresidente]

PFR is fine imo.
Flop's a must raise I think. Fishy McFisherson has bet small & we have a chance to isolate and exploit him. 400 total should get rid of underpairs, QT & gutshots from the blinds and allow victim to hang around.
Turn bet's fine.
I don't see how we can possibly fold the river. Way too much we can beat. More interested in what hand he's played this way than the final 100, so I call to make him show 1st.

 

[Ghoti]

Like others said, you're underrepped here and I think you have to call.

 

[moojersey]

You are definitely under repped on the river. I don't see how you can fold although I'll admit it probably doesn't feel great with the river bet.

Hand was played pretty passive especially with the quarter pot on the flop that everyone calls.

I'm re-popping this flop for full pot. Then 2/3 OTT.

I'd need more info about the players but the big river bet is probably not a stone cold bluff. But it could be a bet by a worse hand designed to push out a jack or pocket pair.

I think I'm always calling as played.