Tournament 2-7 Triple Draw Hand (1 Viewer)

[Jimulacrum]

Had a kinda interesting hand (for me, anyway) happen tonight in the 2-7 TD tournament.

BTN (Hero):15,990
SB (@AK Chip): 12,860
BB (@Chippy McChiperson): 7,240
UTG (@BGinGA): 3,910

Hero is dealt .

Blinds are 50/100. UTG limps, Hero raises to 200. SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls. Pot is 650.

BB draws 2, UTG draws 1, Hero draws 1 for 3c:.

BB checks, UTG bets 100, Hero calls, BB calls. Pot is 950.

BB draws 1, UTG draws 1, Hero draws 1 for .

BB checks, UTG bets 200.

Hero … ?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Don't understand how BB isn't the hero and button isn't villain 1

 

[Jimulacrum]

Don't understand how BB isn't the hero and button isn't villain 1

Because this is 2-7 triple draw, not SOHE.

 

[bergs]

T-high likely isn't going to hold up 3 handed and you're first to act after the bettor. I'm flatting here and drawing 1. Interestingly you'd be hard pressed to draw if you had a 2345 because it kills the 6 draw. With your hand you improve with any 4, 6, 8, or 9 - that's a pretty good draw. Seeing how many cards people draw next will be interesting.

 

[DrStrange]

I suggest Hero call and decide to draw or pat based on the other players drawing. Villain reads matter.

VS ABC villains, Hero draws when either of the villains go pat and Hero pats when heads up vs a drawing villain. Hero draws vs two drawing villains. T 7 5 3 2 is a marginal bluff catcher but it could be worthy of holding if UTG has a history of patting with an unmade hand.

 

[kirchhausen]

Call. You have position, so you can make the decision to stand pat or draw (I have a feeling you will be drawing) after everyone else has chosen.

 

[keshaldra]

Put me in the "flat, then draw one" category. You've got 8 outs to a 7, and 4 more to a "not that great" 8. Ignoring the 8 draw, you need 4.625:1 for your money (8 outs, 45 cards unknown), and you're getting 5.75:1 already (6.75:1 if you think BB will call)

I also consider raising, but that's read-dependent and wouldn't automatically recommend it here.

Most of the time, I'll flat it, draw 1, raise if I make a 7, call if I make an 8, fold on anything else.

 

[Jimulacrum]

I also consider raising, but that's read-dependent and wouldn't automatically recommend it here.

I've got a bit of a history of LAGtastic action with UTG, not to mention that he just bet and then drew 1 on the previous round. I'm not convinced that this bet represents a made hand.

Since no one swung back last round, I figure there's a solid chance he's betting here regardless of whether he improved, in which case a raise is appropriate. If I can isolate him while he's drawing, this is an easy pat and check-behind.

Hero raises to 400, BB calls, UTG calls. Pot is 2,150.

BB stands pat. UTG draws 1 (I knew it).

Hero … ?

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

draw. If I'm pat in this situation, I am ahead of T7 at least 90% of the time. I probably have a rough 8 or a smooth 9 at worst.

 

[Forty4]

Probably not beating BB now then right? Draw.

 

[keshaldra]

Since no one swung back last round, I figure there's a solid chance he's betting here regardless of whether he improved, in which case a raise is appropriate. If I can isolate him while he's drawing, this is an easy pat and check-behind.
Hero … ?

I like your thinking. This is exactly the sort of read I'd need to raise in that spot.

It's safe to say you were ahead of UTG. But BB called a bet and raise, then stood pat. There's only 2 options there, and neither are good for T7...

1) A made 7, looking to check raise
2) A sloppy 8/9, looking to call down


Draw. Raise if you make your 7. Call if you make 8 or 9 (unless BB bets and UTG raises, then you should fold). Fold if you make ten or worse.

 

[DrStrange]

I vote break and draw.

 

[xdan]

A ten is hardly good here.
Flat, break.

 

[Chicken Rob]

I have nothing to add. Obvious play is obvious. Break and draw.

 

[DrStrange]

The hard decision will be if Hero catches an eight.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Last round:

BB stands pat, UTG draws 1, Hero hesitates for a bit and stands pat. The last betting round checks to Hero, and of course there's nothing to do but check behind.

BB turns up . UTG turns up .

I suppose I could've given a little more background, but my decision to stand pat was partly based on the fact that (a) we were only 4-handed and (b) I'd been playing a bit on the LAGgy side during this session, especially in position. I'd gone to showdown with several very marginal hands, including stuff as weak as Q- and J-high that I held pat and bet on more than one round (though usually heads-up).

On this basis, and the fact that BB didn't reraise me, I convinced myself that BB might call my raise a lot wider than he actually would, so the T-high might be good often enough to hold it. UTG was obviously still drawing, so I wasn't too concerned there. In retrospect, I wasn't so sure (hence bothering to post this hand for feedback), and now I can see that I was clearly way off.

 

[DrStrange]

People who don't play 2-7 triple draw should know that four handed isn't all that short a table. A full 2-7 table has six players.

Hero should note UTG's hand because it might indicate a weak player. We know that the best hand UTG could be drawing to was 5-4-3-2. It could be he doesn't know straights are terrible in 2-7 triple draw.

 

[Jimulacrum]

People who don't play 2-7 triple draw should know that four handed isn't all that short a table. A full 2-7 table has six players.

Hero should note UTG's hand because it might indicate a weak player. We know that the best hand UTG could be drawing to was 5-4-3-2. It could be he doesn't know straights are terrible in 2-7 triple draw.

It isn't that short, but it's short enough that I'm not expecting to see made 8s or better at showdown every time. If both players were drawing, which happens with some frequency, my T-high would've stood a much better chance. The major mistake was failing to draw against the pat hand.

I'm pretty sure @BGinGA has played at least a modest amount of 2-7 TD. And it's not like 5432 is a bad draw; he's got 8 outs to a 7 or 8, and it'll always be smooth, not to mention that he beats any other hand that matches whatever high card he hits. Maybe not worth paying 2 big bets, but he wasn't drawing slim or dead either.

 

[BGinGA]

2-7 TD is by far my weakest game of the 8-game mix games (and even including Badugi, Scrotum, and SOHE).... both in terms of skill and amount of time. I've played it live in Atlanta exactly once (over 10 years ago), almost everything else has been online. But I do know that straights and flushes count against me.

I've logged a LOT of hours at NLHE, Razz, Stud8, PLO8, and limit Hold'em/Omaha8. Mostly, I like variation. Variance, not so much.

 

[Jimulacrum]

Scrotum is a pretty cool game. I only got to play one orbit (maybe two) of it during BBOTB, but it struck me as having a lot of interesting strategy implications.