But you just said in the other situation because it's more than 2 chips that it's a legit raise?
This is also more than 2 chips. Why a raise in one situation and call in the other?
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Tourney What do you feel are some must have rules? (3 Viewers)
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This is also more than 2 chips. Why a raise in one situation and call in the other?
You said you pulled back your SB and threw 1 1k chip in….
And in the other situation you pull back your big blind and put two 1k chips in. You said this is a raise.
That is. You pulled chips back, threw in more than 1 chip, and the bet size of the 2 chips is a legal raise.
I will call this the same way in my game every time.
This is against TDA rules though. If all of the chips bet are needed to call then it's just a call.
45: Multiple Chip Betting
A: If facing a bet, unless raise or all-in is declared first, a multiple-chip bet (including a bet of your last chips) is a call if every chip is needed to make the call; i.e. removal of just one of the smallest chips leaves less than the call amount. Ex-1: Player A opens for 400: B raises to 1100 total (a 700 raise), C puts out one 500 and one 1000 chip silently. This is a call because removing the 500 chip leaves less than the 1100 call amount. Ex-2: NLHE 25-50. Post-flop A opens for 1050 and B puts out his last chips (two 1000’s). B calls unless raise or all-in was first declared.
I’m not a TDA affiliated card room. In my house, I’d call that a raise.
I see that as a loop-hole and a giant angle. Especially, since the player had 2 100 chips out there. They could have just pulled 1 back and tossed the 1k chip. That’s why it’s always advised to verbalize your actions.
In my house, with my rules, that would 100% be a raise.
Ok. I was thinking most home games use TDA rules. Why you would not use TDA rules is beyond me.
Aight Javert, deep breaths. Its an odd situation, as long as both of you are consistent in your own rooms, who cares.
You would only call that a raise in the blinds? What about other positions?
ekricket
Royal Flush
The small blind hasn’t put in enough to make any bet. When he takes his less-than-full-bet chip back and puts one larger chip out without saying anything he is just calling. If he put two larger chips in he would be raising. In this case the small blind has only put one chip in - the larger one.
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.
If you can’t grasp this by reading then you should actually try playing poker. You’ll get slapped down every time you try to pull this crap.
ArielVer18
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Rule 46 might better explain why it's always a call: if new chip(s) are added silently, prior chips don't cover the call, AND fully pulled back, an overchip is a call.
Two 1k chips are added and the prior two 100s are pulled back. Based on Rule 45, removing one 1k chip doesn't cover the call, so it can't be a raise.
Lol "If you can’t grasp this by reading then you should actually try playing poker", come on dude.
Placing two larger chips isn't automatically a raise. Have you read rule 45?
This is straight out of the TDA rules:
Ex-2: NLHE 25-50. Post-flop A opens for 1050 and B puts out his last chips (two 1000’s). B calls unless raise or all-in was first declared.
So, I read the rules again, and it’s a very poorly written rule.
I change my stance …
Technically speaking, it’s a call. If you literally only had 2 1k chips, and a ton of bigger chips, let’s say, and threw 2 1k chips out, it’s a call. Heck, you could have every 100 and 500 in play and do it. It’s a call.
Technically speaking that is.
In this case, you can use this case as a HUGE angle shoot by not verbally declaring your action. It’s again a call by the TDA rules, but 90+% of players would see 2 chips going in seeing that they had the lower value chips in the pot, and assume it’s a raise. I’d bet many local card rooms would also make the same decision.
So, yes, it’s a call. It’s also a douche move in this players account.
I change my stance …
Technically speaking, it’s a call. If you literally only had 2 1k chips, and a ton of bigger chips, let’s say, and threw 2 1k chips out, it’s a call. Heck, you could have every 100 and 500 in play and do it. It’s a call.
Technically speaking that is.
In this case, you can use this case as a HUGE angle shoot by not verbally declaring your action. It’s again a call by the TDA rules, but 90+% of players would see 2 chips going in seeing that they had the lower value chips in the pot, and assume it’s a raise. I’d bet many local card rooms would also make the same decision.
So, yes, it’s a call. It’s also a douche move in this players account.
And what if you as the big blind didn't have any 100 or 500 chips at the time (just entered, etc.) and had one 1k chip out as your big blind and you put out another 1k chip when action was on you facing the 1100 bet? What is your ruling on this?
That's the whole point. People play in multiple home games, card rooms, casinos..........following one set of rules would make it a lot easier.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Verbalize your bets. You are talking about confusion and seem to want to only increase it.
If you don’t have the proper change it’s on you to verbalize what part of your oversize chip to include. Nobody’s a mind reader, but there are a lot of angle shooters out there. Remove the angle. If you want to call, say call. It don’t matter what chips you have in your stack, only what gets bet in play matters. What are going to want to consider next, how much money he has in his pocket to rebuy? Chips on the rail don’t matter at all for the pot.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Knowing my the rules of the particular game you are playing makes it a lot easier. But you seem to thrive on confusion, bet you are a hoot at the poker game you only get invited to one time.
Great!! I think you will be better protected in the future!
Only if you want to raise. No verbalization is just a call. Oversize chip/multiple chips is always just a call.
Exactly. And that's why rules exist.
ekricket
Royal Flush
Ok I’ll play confusion. If the big blind is $1000, then there can’t be a raise to $1100.
I'm talking about the original scenario with blinds at 100/200 and you have one 1k chip out as your bb.
ekricket
Royal Flush
So if someone shoved their whole stack in without saying a word it’s a call? Ok.
Multiple chips rule 45 is what I'm referring to with the two 1k chips.
ekricket
Royal Flush
I was talking about a scenario where the big blind was $1000, as noted. If you have some other scenarios, you’ll have to spell them out, evidently with chip counts as well for each position, so we know who has hundreds or not, because that seems to matter.
What scenario did you lay out with a 1000 bb? What is the action?
ekricket
Royal Flush
I don’t know what you are referring to anymore. Which scenario and how many of each chip denomination does everyone have?
Bluegrass Poker
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OP is getting more info than he wanted by now. LOL
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Good call. Hey bickerers, let's start another thread: propose the situation, and offer options in a poll. Most of us are hosts/dealers/TDirectors at some time. Rather than muck this thread up, make another place then go nuts. We all vote on how we'd handle the situation, then we can disregard the votes and say we're right anyways.
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