Why use fake casino labels? (3 Viewers)

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I have a newbie question. Why do most of the prized chips have some fake, closed down, or never opened casino name on them? I am new to the chip world and I see no advantage to advertising for some casino that doesn't exist. If one is going through all the trouble to label custom chips, why not do something unique to themselves instead of "Dunes" or "Royal" or whatever other casino is cool? I would rather have something unique to my area and use that then some random casino. I know that might have come off as judgmental and I promise, I don't mean it that way. I am truly curious why that is the common desire as I just don't get it.

Just for some context, I found this site through the Super Poker World chips. Those I understand why people would want. I know it is like any art, we all have our different desires, but I am trying to understand this desire by so many that I feel left out on. I also should add that I don't enjoy casinos so that might be why I don't get the appeal to casino chips.
 
I cannot speak to the chip world, as I am an outsider. But typically custom products take a huge hit in the resale game, because no one wants to buy a set of chips that say “Jim’s Card Club on 8th”. Thus ppl shy away from the super personal items to those that have liquidity.

Just a guess from many years of participating in other areas that have some similar traits
 
1. Fun
2. Some memories for a few folk
3. There are periodic sales by @TheChipRoom who buys and sells former casino chips to PCFs (one of a few very limited ways to get actual chips at scale)
4. If you change to your custom casino/local game name, it’s great if you plan to keep them, but if you decide to sell later they could have a lot less value.
5. There’s actually quite a bit of effort to redesign and relabel, so why bother if you like the design
6. It’s fun ;)
 
I have a newbie question. Why do most of the prized chips have some fake, closed down, or never opened casino name on them? I am new to the chip world and I see no advantage to advertising for some casino that doesn't exist. If one is going through all the trouble to label custom chips, why not do something unique to themselves instead of "Dunes" or "Royal" or whatever other casino is cool? I would rather have something unique to my area and use that then some random casino. I know that might have come off as judgmental and I promise, I don't mean it that way. I am truly curious why that is the common desire as I just don't get it.

Just for some context, I found this site through the Super Poker World chips. Those I understand why people would want. I know it is like any art, we all have our different desires, but I am trying to understand this desire by so many that I feel left out on. I also should add that I don't enjoy casinos so that might be why I don't get the appeal to casino chips.
I do not think that most of the prized chips have some fake casino name on them. Many are from closed casino's, but that's how collecting goes, if they are no longer available they are more valuable. Many of the most prized chips come from closed or never opened casinos because that is what is available. A $100 chip from a live casino cost $100, prevents most normal people from harvesting a rack, but a $100 chip from a closed casino can be reasonable.

Some never opened casino's have prized chips as Paulson doesn't sell to the home market and the fake never opened casino chips are well designed and look sharp, where many live casino chips are pretty boring, plus you can put a whole cash and tournament set together much cheaper than live chips.

The most prized chips are from casinos that are gone, not so much because they are gone, but because they are beautiful sets. At least that is the case for me. Remember most of the most prized chips don't get traded that much, you don't see many ads for them in the classified, mostly private sales when they change hands.
 
It just plain marketing appeal. Not necessarily for resale, although it is a consideration, but also just general aesthetic appeal to more than the people who live on Knobby Hill or named Otis. It makes them more generic in a way but more specific than just having big numbers on them.
 
I have a newbie question. Why do most of the prized chips have some fake, closed down, or never opened casino name on them? I am new to the chip world and I see no advantage to advertising for some casino that doesn't exist. If one is going through all the trouble to label custom chips, why not do something unique to themselves instead of "Dunes" or "Royal" or whatever other casino is cool? I would rather have something unique to my area and use that then some random casino. I know that might have come off as judgmental and I promise, I don't mean it that way. I am truly curious why that is the common desire as I just don't get it.

Just for some context, I found this site through the Super Poker World chips. Those I understand why people would want. I know it is like any art, we all have our different desires, but I am trying to understand this desire by so many that I feel left out on. I also should add that I don't enjoy casinos so that might be why I don't get the appeal to casino chips.

What sets do you consider the most prized?

Dunes
Tropicana
Lakeshores
Starlites
Cocaine Giraffes
Empress
PCA
Vineyards
SS Savanah Suns
etc,

I don't think that you have "most prized" calibrated yet. I wouldn't base that off the classifieds, available and prized rarely coincide.
 
Just for some context, I found this site through the Super Poker World chips. Those I understand why people would want.
I think a lot of people are like you, but in a different way. I see those Mario chips and don’t knock them, but I wouldn’t own any. It’s kinda the same as beavis and butthead chips or hr puffenstuff chips.
 
You all are awesome because I asked what could be a "duh" type question and got honest, fair responses. That doesn't happen much on the internet. I really appreciate it. This is an interesting field and I never thought of poker chips as a hobby until a week ago. The idea of buying chips to me is so I can have a better home game so resale value isn't my concern, having a unique game experience is. That's why custom chips with something unique to my local or the Mario themed chips make more sense to me, but I appreciate seeing everyone's view on this.

As for the not liking the Mario themed or what have you chips, I get that. I just got a huge stack of samples from @markleteenie and there's some designs in there I would never be interested in. I am more feeling the different types to see what chips are available and get going from there.
 
The beauty of owning chips is that it is a personal thing. Everyone has a different reason to get chips, whether it's for collecting similar to sports card collecting, or nostalgia in the case of owning chips from a favorite casino in Vegas, or other location. Some names of unknown or fake casinos.(Tangiers),from the movie Casino, or Panda KGB from the movie Rounders, or the casino from Bond's Casino Royale. Liking the name, liking the chip design, or having the chips match their poker room theme.
In my case, we have a favorite casino in Vegas from a nostalgic point-of-view, staying there while dating, then married etc. The chip design is very cool with the palms.
Having it close down this year was sad, but the Mirage will live on in my home poker room.
My table has a custom Mirage cloth, chips are Mirage replicas, but I also own some of their real chips, and other items, matches, stir sticks, hotel key, etc. from our stay there over the years.
 

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I can only tell you my own experience.

When I took over a game from a previous host, I also inherited his two boxes of dice chips.

I knew I wanted better chips, but wasn’t sure what those should be.

At first I bought two birdcages of slugged chips from a friend. Very soon afterward, I discovered this site and quickly realized my mistake. (The friend was kind enough to take the slugged chips back.)

As I was hosting tourneys, I was fine with solids, and gravitated toward Paulson Starbursts. They were fairly plentiful on eBay and PCF at the time, and cost between .50-$1.50 per chip.

After about a year of using those I started getting a taste for spotted chips. The Chip Room sold a ton of the mint RHC Jack Detroits, never actually put into play, and these were snapped up in the sale and heavily bought/sold here.

I had no special connection to Detroit, but I thought this was one of the best-looking casino-commissioned sets I’d seen, both the primaries and secondaries. Great base colors, great spots and progressions almost throughout both lineups.

After a lot of work and costs I never imagined I’d incur, I assembled a tournament set big enough for three tables, plus a cash set.

Somewhat later TCR started selling the Jack Cincys, and I swapped out some denoms for these because I preferred them. Also, since I wasn’t crazy about the red fives, I bought some other RHCs and overlabeled them with @Gear’s help to match the Jack scheme.

Having by now caught the chipping bug, I branched out and assembled another large cash set (hotstamped PCRs, on the suits mold)… Because I really liked them. These were “fantasy” chips sold by Paulson for a while to the public. I had no special feeling for the name but loved the way they handled, the stamps, and the color/spot schemes.

I sold my Jack cash set but kept the tourney set in case I went back to that.

Then the pandemic hit, and I took a break from having a ton of people crammed into my house. I renovated my barn as a combination workshop, studio and occasional poker room. I also decided to only host cash games when I resumed, using the PCRs.

But like many here, the pandemic also meant a lot of time at home, and more time on PCF. I bought and sold a lot of different chips that just caught my eye, mostly spotted RHCs and THCs in good condition.

My goal was to eventually make a fully custom set but now with murder/inlay replacement instead of overlabels. So the existing casino or fantasy inlays/stamps didn’t matter.

Given the stiff competition and rising prices during that period (combo of the pandemic and several giant whales entering the chip market), it was a struggle to build a set that I liked. I overbought not knowing if/when I could get the quantities I needed.

Finally the spotted THCs won the race, and I sold off all the extra RHCs and stray THCs from the process. I broke even or made a small profit on those.

Then I designed custom inlays for the murdered chips, and had them produced by @Gear for my “forever” set (ha ha we’ll see). I did some of the final murder jobs myself, and also bought a Cricut machine to churn out some small-batch inlays for some extras. I also made matching dealer buttons and a customized case etc.

I then regretfully sold my giant beloved PCR set as well, since I did not need it anymore.

As if this weren’t already a TL/DR post… During this this time I also amassed a bunch of H-mold hotstamped solids, which were milled by @Kifer. I was going to turn these into a set for a family vacation home. But then a vintage set of Caribbean casino chips on the HHR (Horsehead) mold caught my eye, and I traded most of the H-molds to get it.

That set needed some extras to fill it out, so I used the Cricut to make matching inlays for it on some other HHRs which I bought and again murdered.

I don’t need this set, but it has been fascinating to research the casino’s history, and to acquire a bunch of other items and ephemera from it (dice, postcards, matchbooks, etc.). At some point I’ll probably sell it but for now I’m still enjoying the research and collecting. I can also use this as a change-of-pace cash set for my game now and then.

Oh, and along the way I designed a chipset based on one of my hobbies (wild mushroom foraging). But this is currently on hold.

So what is the point of this longwinded tale?

You asked why people here do certain things. My own story is both typical and atypical: I randomly found this site, realized my chips were shit, bought what better chips I could find and afford, developed fancier or just different tastes over time, tried to match what was available to my needs and preferences.

While some may have affinities or nostalgia for specific locations, I don’t have any particular love for any old casinos, or “fake” (fantasy) lineups.

Opportunity, design, cost, mood swings, and fun led me around by the nose. I’ve sort of settled down having made a custom set, but will probably veer off onto some new tangent eventually.

I suspect you’ll either not catch the chipping bug and wander off… Or you’ll catch it. Then in a few years you’ll look back on your question and have a similarly long answer for the next new guy.:p
 
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So, if you don't know, you can't buy Paulson chips from the manufacture, you can only get them second hand. Okay there is a rare loophole some ppl are able to exploit, but in that case, 'Jims on 8th' is a dead give away that it might not be a licensed establishment, and would raise questions, that would put the order in jeopardy.

For some its the early experiences of the casinos, and those chips are ingrained, they seek them out. Some would like that feel but for them to be more affordable.

My custom sets, I use themes that are personal to me, and its a way to build ambiance
 
I can only tell you my own experience.

When I took over a game from a previous host, I also inherited his two boxes of dice chips.

I knew I wanted better chips, but wasn’t sure what those should be.

At first I bought two birdcages of slugged chips from a friend. Very soon afterward, I discovered this site and quickly realized my mistake. (The friend was kind enough to take the slugged chips back.)

As I was hosting tourneys, I was fine with solids, and gravitated toward Paulson Starbursts. They were fairly plentiful on eBay and PCF at the time, and cost between .50-$1.50 per chip.

After about a year of using those I started getting a taste for spotted chips. The Chip Room sold a ton of the mint RHC Jack Detroits, never actually put into play, and these were snapped up in the sale and heavily bought/sold here.

I had no special connection to Detroit, but I thought this was one of the best-looking casino-commissioned sets I’d seen, both the primaries and secondaries. Great base colors, great spots and progressions almost throughout both lineups.

After a lot of work and costs I never imagined I’d incur, I assembled a tournament set big enough for three tables, plus a cash set.

Somewhat later TCR started selling the Jack Cincys, and I swapped out some denoms for these because I preferred them. Also, since I wasn’t crazy about the red fives, I bought some other RHCs and overlabeled them with @Gear’s help to match the Jack scheme.

Having by now caught the chipping bug, I branched out and assembled another large cash set (hotstamped PCRs, on the suits mold)… Because I really liked them. These were “fantasy” chips sold by Paulson for a while to the public. I had no special feeling for the name but loved the way they handled, the stamps, and the color/spot schemes.

I sold my Jack cash set but kept the tourney set in case I went back to that.

Then the pandemic hit, and I took a break from having a ton of people crammed into my house. I renovated my barn as a combination workshop, studio and occasional poker room. I also decided to only host cash games when I resumed, using the PCRs.

But like many here, the pandemic also meant a lot of time at home, and more time on PCF. I bought and sold a lot of different chips that just caught my eye, mostly spotted RHCs and THCs in good condition.

My goal was to eventually make a fully custom set but now with murder/inlay replacement instead of overlabels. So the existing casino or fantasy inlays/stamps didn’t matter.

Given the stiff competition and rising prices during that period (combo of the pandemic and several giant whales entering the chip market), it was a struggle to build a set that I liked. I overbought not knowing if/when I could get the quantities I needed.

Finally the spotted THCs won the race, and I sold off all the extra RHCs and stray THCs from the process. I broke even or made a small profit on those.

Then I designed custom inlays for the murdered chips, and had them produced by @Gear for my “forever” set (ha ha we’ll see). I did some of the final murder jobs myself, and also bought a Cricut machine to churn out some small-batch inlays for some extras. I also made matching dealer buttons and a customized case etc.

I then regretfully sold my giant beloved PCR set as well, since I did not need it anymore.

As if this weren’t already a TL/DR post… During this this time I also amassed a bunch of H-mold hotstamped solids, which were milled by @Kifer. I was going to turn these into a set for a family vacation home. But then a vintage set of Caribbean casino chips on the HHR (Horsehead) mold caught my eye, and I traded most of the H-molds to get it.

That set needed some extras to fill it out, so I used the Cricut to make matching inlays for it on some other HHRs which I bought and again murdered.

I don’t need this set, but it has been fascinating to research the casino’s history, and to acquire a bunch of other items and ephemera from it (dice, postcards, matchbooks, etc.). At some point I’ll probably sell it but for now I’m still enjoying the research and collecting. I can also use this as a change-of-pace cash set for my game now and then.

Oh, and along the way I designed a chipset based on one of my hobbies (wild mushroom foraging). But this is currently on hold.

So what is the point of this longwinded tale?

You asked why people here do certain things. My own story is both typical and atypical: I randomly found this site, realized my chips were shit, bought what better chips I could find and afford, developed fancier or just different tastes over time, tried to match what was available to my needs and preferences.

While some may have affinities or nostalgia for specific locations, I don’t have any particular love for any old casinos, or “fake” (fantasy) lineups.

Opportunity, design, cost, mood swings, and fun led me around by the nose. I’ve sort of settled down having made a custom set, but will probably veer off onto some new tangent eventually.

I suspect you’ll either not catch the chipping bug and wander off… Or you’ll catch it. Then in a few years you’ll look back on your question and have a similarly long answer for the next new guy.:p
TLDR. Dibs on your “forever set”. And the barn.
 
Sometimes you have to 'fake' a chip inlay because the denomination you want/need to match the original series doesn't exist or are ridiculously rare because most of them have been destroyed. Fractional chips like quarters and nickels are a prime example. Casinos do not offer low stakes games, so people have to get creative in making and matching so their sets look consistent.
 
This is just a taste thing. I agree with you; I don't understand the appeal of copies. I only want my Paulsons exactly as they came from the factory. But this is a minority opinion, I think.
 
Talking 2 kinds of chips here:

Sets:

Finding complete retired casino sets in all the denominations I want/need for the games we play is plenty hard. Much easier to find chips I like and label them for what denoms I need. Not buying most chip sets to collect for resale, only for use in poker game & are normally never going back out into the wild. It's also just fun to have your own designed set that you can complete with all the extras.

Singles/Samples:

I do collect single chips from casinos & custom samples for collecting purposes but these chips are generally not used for play.
 
There’s a third option: Paulsons which are neither copies nor exactly as they come from the factory. a/k/a customs
You mean putting custom labels on Paulsons that have had their inlays gauged out? Those are usually called semi-customs. They’re not really Paulsons, since they have stickers on them as opposed to inlays in them. But yes, that’s an option for some people.
 
You mean putting custom labels on Paulsons that have had their inlays gauged out? Those are usually called semi-customs. They’re not really Paulsons, since they have stickers on them as opposed to inlays in them. But yes, that’s an option for some people.

Rokay
 

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