Sorry, but this group buy excludes sales to anyone outside the community - as stated in the OP.
I would buy them if they wanted them.
Sorry, but this group buy excludes sales to anyone outside the community - as stated in the OP.
Which could be a pretty persuasive argument for 'not mass produced'.Sorry, but this group buy excludes sales to anyone outside the community - as stated in the OP.
I would buy them if they wanted them.
I would buy them if they wanted them.
I applaud you for your honesty, but you're effectively admitting you would be buying them with the intent of breaking the spirit/intended audience for the group buy. That action has the potential to be a -EV move in the long run.I would buy them if they wanted them.
Who has read the GRRM letter to Stocky, btw? I was always curious as to the exact wording, mostly because it's a neat part of the backstory to the set. I'm not sure whether a closed group buy is within the scope of what it allowed or not, without having read it.
I just hope nobody ends up feeling burned at the end of this, and that CPC cash chips get made eventually to complete my sample set.
I've read it. I asked Paul because I was interested in the backstory as well. I don't think it's my place to include the exact wording in this thread as the letter was addressed to Paul, but GRRM wrote a very short reply.
You're supposed to have @Mental Nomad tied up and helpless before you give him all the details of your scheme.
Define mass production. Majestics, CPC, obvious examples. A run limited to a small group of people that's not available to the public and is not for profit, obviously not.
So he went out of his way to ask for permission, and then planned a group buy. You don't think he felt as if he had the permission for said group buy?Respectfully disagree. The fact you use the word group implies "mass" in my opinion especially when it was probably sent to GRRM as a request from one person to make one set of chips for just himself.
Define mass production. Majestics, CPC, obvious examples. A run limited to a small group of people that's not available to the public and is not for profit, obviously not.
So he went out of his way to ask for permission, and then planned a group buy. You don't think he felt as if he had the permission for said group buy?
I think the organizer should reach out to GRRM. He seems reasonable, and as long as this isn't a for profit run I don't think he will have an issue.
I applaud you for your honesty, but you're effectively admitting you would be buying them with the intent of breaking the spirit/intended audience for the group buy. That action has the potential to be a -EV move in the long run.
This is the concept I'm having trouble with, and maybe because I'm new to this community.Endgame is that the individual that acquired the chips doesn't want them made. The means of acquisition is largely immaterial. I
Also, back to my original point a couple years ago regarding raffles - which I've never been in support of and they've already been abused on this site multiple times - I think Tommy still needs to format the raffle with fields that can be centrally controlled and made mandatory to complete before offering the raffle.
One of the things that obviously needs to get cleared up is the ownership of the artwork, and in the spirit of community and just as importantly, what the seller and buyer intend to do with the chips. Hopefully forum members respect that (and if they disrespect what was stipulated then they do so at their own peril in regards to reputation here).
Endgame is that the individual that acquired the chips doesn't want them made. The means of acquisition is largely immaterial. If you want to find a loophole to justify the production of the chips then I suppose nobody can stop you from trying, but it's a bit of a dick move. Good luck ever getting a sample set or anything of that ilk from me and probably a large number of other more silent thread followers here.
This is the concept I'm having trouble with, and maybe because I'm new to this community.
My initial reaction is that absent some agreement for exclusive rights, what K9DR wants is irrelevant.
But I'm getting the sense that this community (or at least a large segment of it) feels that since there's only one of these sets, and since K9DR owns it, his opinion is all that matters.
Do you honestly think we won't see ANY of these chips for sale on eBay or Craigslist, or even in the classifieds at some point?
If I was to buy a 600 chip set for a friend that hosts a monthly game it is going to ruin this group buy?
I have made several such purchases in the past for fellow hosts during chip room sales for China Clay sets.
There is more chip flipping from within this community!
Every chip I have bought for friends/hosts are still in their possession and being used. They get a decent set and they are happy and never think about selling them or next great set. They just play with them!
Do you honestly think we won't see ANY of these chips for sale on eBay or Craigslist, or even in the classifieds at some point?
If I was to buy a 600 chip set for a friend that hosts a monthly game it is going to ruin this group buy?
I have made several such purchases in the past for fellow hosts during chip room sales for China Clay sets.
There is more chip flipping from within this community!
Every chip I have bought for friends/hosts are still in their possession and being used. They get a decent set and they are happy and never think about selling them or next great set. They just play with them!
No dog in this fight, but like Rhodeman suggests, what's to stop someone from buying a huge set, and flipping them for profit?
I think artwork ownership rights need to be clarified in general. Does anyone have anything in writing from J5 or any other designer that legally states who owns the artwork ??
All good. Businesses running an enterprise for profit are gonna profit, and buyers are gonna buy.I have made several such purchases in the past for fellow hosts during chip room sales for China Clay sets.
Huh? I never mentioned nor implied anything about flipping.There is more chip flipping from within this community!
Depends on what you mean by "ruin", but very likely not. That's irrelevant to my point, though.If I was to buy a 600 chip set for a friend that hosts a monthly game it is going to ruin this group buy?
This is the concept I'm having trouble with, and maybe because I'm new to this community.
My initial reaction is that absent some agreement for exclusive rights, what K9DR wants is irrelevant.
But I'm getting the sense that this community (or at least a large segment of it) feels that since there's only one of these sets, and since K9DR owns it, his opinion is all that matters.
Rob, I'd be inclined to agree with you morally if the gb chips in question were the exact same ASM/CPC chips that Mark bought and owns (regardless of anything else, legal or otherwise).What K9DR wants is legally irrelevant, but personally, if it was me, I wouldn't do anything with them if the current owner said not to (particularly when the current owner is personally known to me, played at my house, generously relieved me of the burden of having to rack up my chips at the end of the night, and most importantly is a well respected community member).