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MeridianFC
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Tourney Who does T20K? (2 Viewers)
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paulkersey
Two Pair
Assuming 6 players, what do you think of this chip set breakdown? I simply rounded up based on your suggestion.
$25x12 = 75 chips
$100x12 = 75 chips
$500x5 = 50 chips
$1000x6 = 75 chips
$5000x2 = 25 chips
= Total of 300 chips
This is fine, assuming you must buy on multiples of 25.
paulkersey
Two Pair
Fantastic, thank you
PokerLegend
Two Pair
I have been doing so much research these past few days on here. Almost too much great info. Wished I had just spend time researching and reading years ago. So, what’s your biggest reason for moving from the 10k to the 20k events?
Better flow with a 200bb blind structure.
200bb with 10k stacks requires 25/50 opening blinds, and avoiding 100% jumps means using a 25/75 level before hitting 50/100, 75/150, 100/200, etc.
200bb with 20k stacks requires 50/100 opening blinds, with no oddball blind amounts or 100% increases needed.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Did you find a need for more chips of any particular denom (assuming, that you are like me and have more than enough of the top denom because rebuys can get crazy some nights).
You mean 20k stacks needing more chips than 10k stacks?
With 10k stacks, I used 12/12/5/6 and 0/0/0/10 re-buys with T1000s for early color-ups (T5000s for T500 color-up).
With 20k stacks, I use 12/12/5/11/1 and 0/0/0/10/2 re-buys with T5000s for all color-ups.
So more T1000s with 20k stack events, I guess.
But yeah, all my two-table (16-player) sets have always had at least 200 x T1000 and 100 x T5000, so no set changes were needed. Most are 200/200/100/200/100 minimum.
The league's always been capped at 16, since hosting is shared by multiple venues and everybody has at least one table that seats 8.
PokerLegend
Two Pair
Ohh. I gotcha. Ya I have been doing the 25/75 jump but I see how the 20l stack would be superior. I just got a few sets. I was asking about a Bahamia set in the wanted section and I’m about to order one of those Big Top Poker sets from the group buys they have. I love the colors in both of those sets. I wanted to make sure I had the denominations right. I have 2 sets that have the t25 and 2 sets that have the t100 as the lowest chip. So I have been hosting t10k as well as the t30k you had recommended to me. Everyone enjoys both. I know I had see to get a
160 x T25
160 x T100
80 x T500
140 x T1000
60 x T5000 (28x for color-ups)
600 chips
For the 13 person 20k
Or a
200 × 1100
120 × 1500
140 x T1000 (20x for T100 color-ups)
100 x 15000 (12x for 1500 color-ups)
560 chips
For another 13 person 30k game
I don’t have these exact chips but have good enough denominations to play both. They play different but the only thing I have noticed is maybe less coloring up with the t100 base chip set.
I know there was a post about t25 still being the most popular and t100 gaining popularity. Looks like yall are playing t25. Do you find it plays better when yall do talks ante games and that why yall went that route?
Can you share your blind structure for the 20K stack? We are doing a 20k this weekend for the first time in a while and would like a smooth blind structure that is tried and true. Much appreciated.
PokerLegend
Two Pair
@BGinGA
I honestly get almost all my info from this guy. He’s been so freaking helpful with answering questions and everything. Shout out to him. Here is a copy and past from BGinGA’s post
L1 50/100
L2 75/150
L3 100/200
L4 150/300
remove T25 chips
L5 200/400
L6 300/600 (optional end re-buys - 33BB)
L7 400/800
L8 600/1200
break (optional end re-buys - 17BB)
L9 800/1600
L10 1100/2200
L11 1500/3000
L12 2000/4000
remove T100/T500 chips
L13 3000/6000
L14 4000/8000 *** typical EOT
L15 6000/12000
L16 8000/16000
L17 10000/20000
There is a lot out there but this is also one variation I have used and it worked well
I honestly get almost all my info from this guy. He’s been so freaking helpful with answering questions and everything. Shout out to him. Here is a copy and past from BGinGA’s post
L1 50/100
L2 75/150
L3 100/200
L4 150/300
remove T25 chips
L5 200/400
L6 300/600 (optional end re-buys - 33BB)
L7 400/800
L8 600/1200
break (optional end re-buys - 17BB)
L9 800/1600
L10 1100/2200
L11 1500/3000
L12 2000/4000
remove T100/T500 chips
L13 3000/6000
L14 4000/8000 *** typical EOT
L15 6000/12000
L16 8000/16000
L17 10000/20000
There is a lot out there but this is also one variation I have used and it worked well
Thanks!
Estimated EOT above is based on 8 players. Maximum run times for 20 players (17 levels):
= 4:15 plus breaks with 15-minute levels
= 5:40 plus breaks with 20-minute levels
I took over a two-table weekly tourney which ran for a good ten years, using 20K starting stacks, 100/200 starting blinds, rebuys for the first two hours, and an add-on at the break.
It worked very well for us for a long time. Games usually took about 5 hours if played down all the way, but there were often ICM chops after 4-4.5 hours if the players wanted to get home / move to the cash table which started once the two broke.
After the pandemic I switched to cash games so I only had to host 7-8 people instead of 16-18.
I’ve done tourneys with T25s to start, but found that especially older players seemed to be baffled by the blinds and how to size bets. Round numbers starting at 100 are easier for casual players.
It worked very well for us for a long time. Games usually took about 5 hours if played down all the way, but there were often ICM chops after 4-4.5 hours if the players wanted to get home / move to the cash table which started once the two broke.
After the pandemic I switched to cash games so I only had to host 7-8 people instead of 16-18.
I’ve done tourneys with T25s to start, but found that especially older players seemed to be baffled by the blinds and how to size bets. Round numbers starting at 100 are easier for casual players.
PokerLegend
Two Pair
lol. Love it. Ya. I think you may be right. How do you do the rebuys when people are not out. That always messed me up. Say it is a 20k tournament with 1 rebuy. Do they rebuy for the full 20k or half the amount? And what about the dude who still have 8 k in chips but the cut off to rebuy is now. Do I let him rebuy with just as much as the guy who just went out. Even the chip leader may have 45 k in chips. Does he also get to rebuy and now have 65k in chips? I want to make it fair but someone always seems to complain so I need to really know what’s best. And as far as chipping up. I hear some guys flip cards or something. Is it 2x100 will chip up to a 500 and is you have a single 100 it’s nothing? This also has been done different ways in my games and ilthere is always someone wanting to chip up even a single chip
Rebuys were only for a full starting stack, at the original price, and only if you busted or surrendered a small stack before the break (details below).
Add-ons at the break were about 1/4 the SS for about 1/5th the SS price, since the chips had less value after two hours. So for example, if the original buyin were $100 for 20K chips, the 5K add on would be $20.
As I recall, we would allow someone to surrender any stack at the break (which would coincide with rebuys ending) and then do a rebuy. I believe these were also eligible for the add-on, so in theory you could surrender and buy 25K at the break.
But that rarely happened in practice. People were more likely to just try to get their small chipstacks all-in when they got close to the break, and either double up or rebuy before time ran out.
And no, if you had a non-surrendered stack or hadn’t busted you couldn’t “rebuy” for another 20K on top of your stack. But you could do the more modest add-on at the break.
Generally if I had 16-18 players only 1-2 wouldn’t opt for the add-on.
When chipping up I just rounded up even if it introduced very small inequities. Over time with everyone quite regular, it evened out. Some TDs do chip races etc. but honestly that seemed like overkill for a small-scale MTT like this.
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PokerLegend
Two Pair
Perfect. I completely understand and thanks for breaking it down. This takes a lot of the guessing/ trials I’ve being doing out of it. Now I can just focus on Poker. Much appreciated
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