$1/2NL: AKo facing aggression OOP (1 Viewer)

[jbutler]

I have way too much uncertainty here to raise. I think you lose a lot of money to hands you aren't beating and don't gain much from those you are.

I agree. In the absolute best case scenario we have two conditions: he has AQ and he is either beyond horrible or is on epic tilt. Otherwise he's never calling with worse.

The only hand that is ahead that I could imagine him folding with any real frequency would be Ts9s for a turned spade draw that backed into two pair. I think it's incredibly unlikely that he even holds that hand due to the flop play, though. He would have to have decided to nearly min-raise bluff with second pair versus a guy (me) he knows nothing about.

I'm sure we could get aces up to fold occasionally, but not nearly enough to make it profitable to raise imo.

 

[Anthony Martino]

We're getting 4.18 to 1 on a call here, risking $75 to win $314. I just can't find a fold in that spot given the details we have available on this villain. We only have to win 19% of the time for this to be break even.

 

[jbutler]

We're getting 4.18 to 1 on a call here, risking $75 to win $314. I just can't find a fold in that spot given the details we have available on this villain. We only have to win 19% of the time for this to be break even.

This is what ultimately pushed me into the call camp. It's just hard to believe we're not ahead 19% of the time. I would think we're ahead as much at 33% of the time. I called expecting to lose, but happy with the price I was laid.

Results in a bit just in case anyone has anything further before I reveal.

 

[Mr Tree]

This is what ultimately pushed me into the call camp. It's just hard to believe we're not ahead 19% of the time. I would think we're ahead as much at 33% of the time. I called expecting to lose, but happy with the price I was laid.

Results in a bit just in case anyone has anything further before I reveal.

I've seen too many shocking hands tabled at the river not to feel that 19% is reasonable.

Still expecting pocket 3s though

 

[Ben]

I'm totally expecting 77. Because, why not minraise the A-high flop? If he doesn't have the ace he has to fold, right? (But, we still have to call given the price laid.)​

 

[Mr Tree]

I'm totally expecting 77. Because, why not minraise the A-high flop? If he doesn't have the ace he has to fold, right? (But, we still have to call given the price laid.)​

Lol your run bad has made you an amazing cynic.

Edit: you will notice I didn't discount you might also be right.

 

[MoscowRadio]

I have way too much uncertainty here to raise. I think you lose a lot of money to hands you aren't beating and don't gain much from those you are.

I have to echo this sentiment.

 

[jbutler]

Results: I didn't think that long. Didn't see any point in raising and didn't think I could possibly fold for the price. I called and he immediately said, "Good call." I tabled my hand and he mucked.

Later told me he had kings, but I don't know if I believe that. No 3-bet preflop with kings usually means you're looking for a safe flop which means no ace which means that when an ace does come he's not going to fire fire fire.

Looking back I'm wondering if it's not just a fold on the turn. Yeah, I'm getting a super cheap price at every step, but no one who has a clue is taking his line with any hands we're beating. I guess that's why we play with people who don't have a clue...

 

[courage]

Hmm yeah call given the great price and pay off fish's T9.

 

[Poker Zombie]

Did he muck before you tabled?

 

[courage]

Results: I didn't think that long. Didn't see any point in raising and didn't think I could possibly fold for the price. I called and he immediately said, "Good call." I tabled my hand and he mucked.

Later told me he had kings, but I don't know if I believe that. No 3-bet preflop with kings usually means you're looking for a safe flop which means no ace which means that when an ace does come he's not going to fire fire fire.

Looking back I'm wondering if it's not just a fold on the turn. Yeah, I'm getting a super cheap price at every step, but no one who has a clue is taking his line with any hands we're beating. I guess that's why we play with people who don't have a clue...

Was gonna guess villain had JJ because it fits his goofy line better and players tend to upgrade a click or two after the hand. Also, Jacks can't win. You of all people should know this lol.

 

[MoscowRadio]

I find it REALLY difficult to believe that Villain would play KK this way. MAYBE JJ, but not KK.

 

[jbutler]

Did he muck before you tabled?

No he said good call, I tabled, he mucked.

 

[Mr Tree]

I agree that KK was a total fib. And a pretty dumb one at that for the line he took. Which leads me to wonder what he took that crazy line with. My gut is he played a completely non premium hand and went donk fish post flop after catching something like a pair of tens. I think he made you for a bluff on the A and decided he was firing all three bullets.

 

[Mr Tree]

Man it looks like he took you through a three street trip to value town before you know his hand. Fortunately his bluff sizing wasn't up to snuff.

 

[bergs]

I think this is why my results at 2/5 are better than my results at 1/2

 

[Anthony Martino]

In my home game this past weekend we had a short-stack all-in and myself and one other player with chips left. On the turn I had a medium flush draw and hit the bottom end of a straight unlikely to have hit the limper who still had chips to bet (I was in the BB and the all-in player in the SB).

I led out with my straight and he called the bet. The river brought a blank, a King offsuit. I checked and he fired and I had to give it up, figuring he either had the made flush or in the least the higher straight for some reason. He tabled a rivered top pair Kings and SB had the same with a better kicker and she tripled up when my straight would've eliminated her from the game. You definitely can't always depend on your opponents to take lines that make sense. Glad it worked out for you

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Results: I didn't think that long. Didn't see any point in raising and didn't think I could possibly fold for the price. I called and he immediately said, "Good call." I tabled my hand and he mucked.

Later told me he had kings, but I don't know if I believe that. No 3-bet preflop with kings usually means you're looking for a safe flop which means no ace which means that when an ace does come he's not going to fire fire fire.

Looking back I'm wondering if it's not just a fold on the turn. Yeah, I'm getting a super cheap price at every step, but no one who has a clue is taking his line with any hands we're beating. I guess that's why we play with people who don't have a clue...

He could have easily been telling the truth. I've seen 1/2 players misplay kings so many times, they play it slow preflop then when an ace hits they don't realize that kings aren't that great of a hand anymore, or they try to make up for the fact that they misplayed them pre. Not saying the guy was definitely telling the truth, but why would he make up kings instead of another hand that makes him look like a better player?

 

[Mr Tree]

He could have easily been telling the truth. I've seen 1/2 players misplay kings so many times, they play it slow preflop then when an ace hits they don't realize that kings aren't that great of a hand anymore, or they try to make up for the fact that they misplayed them pre. Not saying the guy was definitely telling the truth, but why would he make up kings instead of another hand that makes him look like a better player?

Because he thinks the Kings does make him look like a better player. Smooth calling OOP with KK pre is not a play usually in the repertoire of players in this range.