AKo vs a hyper aggressive table (2 Viewers)

[Mr Tree]

Just noting this is a way ahead / way behind situation. If Villain has a seven, hero is drawing to two outs (or runner-runner kings). If Villain has a weaker ace he is drawing to three outs for the win or a seven for a chop.

DrStrange

We've been told crazy has been playing exceptionally crazy. We have to range him VERY wide based on this. I'm inclined to pay him if he has the seven

 

[Anthony Martino]

No point in jamming. We push out his bluffs and pay off his 7's

I call and let him continue bluffing

 

[stocky]

No point in jamming. We push out his bluffs and pay off his 7's

I call and let him continue bluffing

I see no point flatting IMO. We are just valuing ourselves in when he does have the 7 and he is possibly shutting down after we call if he doesn't so we get no more anyway. If we flat is the plan the same if the turn is a blank? Continue to check call?

IMO this is a jam or fold leaning more towards jam. Yes he's obviously calling with any 7 but he's also probably calling with any A also.

 

[Anthony Martino]

This is crazy jr. Why would he slow down if we just flat? He will think he can force a fold on the turn

 

[DrStrange]

*** on to the turn ***

Hero calls. $208 in the pot, heads up. Hero has $220 left behind.

Turn is: < >

Action on Hero . . . table talk ensues.

Crazy Jr " best card ever! I have jack-seven"
Hero "dang, I thought my 7-2 might be good"
Crazy Jr "you don't have 7-2, you raised $15"
Talking heads at the table. "No, he 3-bet an hour ago with 7-2" "and we saw him showdown 72 after calling twelve bucks preflop" "Hope you got him Crazy Jr, don't want to pay the Doc $10"
Hero smirks (hopefully nervously) "I'm not folding, if you got jack-seven I'll pay you off"

So does hero bet or check? If betting how much?

DrStrange

 

[stocky]

This is crazy jr. Why would he slow down if we just flat? He will think he can force a fold on the turn

Because

Hero's showdown range for this has been JJ+ and AK

And the Dr stated he doesn't mind getting it in bad. Shove now and he'll more than likely call with any weak A.

 

[Anthony Martino]

You are assuming the villians pay attention

 

[stocky]

On the turn as played and with the table talk I guess check.

 

[stocky]

You are assuming the villians pay attention

Dr said he was crazy. Not stupid. You assume he doesn't pay attention which is worse.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Dr said he was crazy. Not stupid. You assume he doesn't pay attention which is worse.

Perhaps. We should then also consider that hero has been running bad (villian would perceive him as beatable) and villian running hot (may feel he cant lose) also doc says villian is willing to get $$$ in bad. But also says bet sizing of villian is better than other LAG's in this game (What better way to get paid off than to bet the 7 when people assume you would slowplay)

I still lean towards check-call here. I dont want to fold out villians bluffs and im rarely folding anyway so im going broke to the 7 if he has it whether i raise or call

 

[stocky]

I think we should be trying to maximize value though for when villain has a weak A type hand. I think the best way is to raise him after his flop bet. I mean if we plan to continue to check call until we are all in why not shove?

Yes he's calling with any 7 but he could easily call with any hand he's way behind with that he might not bluff with or continue betting with.

 

[DrStrange]

I should have included 7-2 in Hero's range since the table did see that hand tabled after an aggressive preflop . . . . DrStrange

 

[Anthony Martino]

I think we should be trying to maximize value though for when villain has a weak A type hand. I think the best way is to raise him after his flop bet. I mean if we plan to continue to check call until we are all in why not shove?

Yes he's calling with any 7 but he could easily call with any hand he's way behind with that he might not bluff with or continue betting with.

Because Villian has a lot of pocket pairs in his range that could keep firing on other streets when we show weakness that may fold should we checkraise all-in on him.

 

[DrStrange]

*** Onward! ***

Hero checks, villain bets $95 into the $208 pot. Hero entered the turn with $220.

Action back on Hero. All-in, fold or call? Anyone want to hazard a guess on villain's range / Hero's equity at the moment? {villain holds a seven, equity = 5%, villain holds an ace, equity = 92%, villain holds a pair, equity = 95% all rough.}

DrStrange

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

With the talk it sounds like he is weak. Maybe he has a weak ace and now he thinks he's chopping. I'd jam, and hope for a call from him with any ace.

 

[MoscowRadio]

With the talk it sounds like he is weak. Maybe he has a weak ace and now he thinks he's chopping. I'd jam, and hope for a call from him with any ace.

I have to agree with this. For you just call you've got so much invested that you'd have to call pretty much every river. I think that Villain may have a LOT of weak suited aces in his range.

 

[courage]

Check jam turn. Crazy Jr table talk was truthful, he thinks it improved his A-rag. If he has the 7, hero is never folding shortstacked at any point in hand.

 

[courage]

Oh... expect variance. (y) :thumbsup:

 

[Anthony Martino]

*** Onward! ***

Hero checks, villain bets $95 into the $208 pot. Hero entered the turn with $220.

Action back on Hero. All-in, fold or call? Anyone want to hazard a guess on villain's range / Hero's equity at the moment? {villain holds a seven, equity = 5%, villain holds an ace, equity = 92%, villain holds a pair, equity = 95% all rough.}

DrStrange

I'm with Courage on the check-jam line here. Villian should pay us off with weaker aces, and isn't likely to bet the river as a bluff due to stack and pot sizes, so the time to get paid is now

 

[BGinGA]

Agree with villain's weak ace holding, but a bit concerned that it's AJ... which does not bode well for hero. Call turn and check-call river (unless a K, then check-raise).

 

[DrStrange]

*** It's over ***

Hero just calls - I think that was a mistake -

Two players to see the river, $398 in the pot. Hero has $125 left.

River is: < > [I will not bother to ask for opinions here]

Hero jams and villain goes into the tank. Hero hopes someone will coach villain not to fold and let the Doc win with 7-2 but no such luck. Villain yacks for a while, eventually talks himself into calling. Hero tables aces full of sevens. Villain tosses on the felt and tells Hero how lucky he was {truth}

DrStrange

 

[MoscowRadio]

The flop/turn bets had me confused a little. On the flop Villain bet huge, but then only bet roughly half the pot on the turn which seemed to be more on the value side of things.

 

[courage]

I hope you took the opportunity to needle. "Oh, did I win??"

You trapped him, doc. He was only 91% to win on flop and 95.5% on turn. Of course, pf you were 65% vs random hand HU and 47% vs two players.

 

[DrStrange]

Villain's flop bet was 80% of pot while the turn bet was just under half the pot. Who knows what he is thinking, but we can expect that this villain is considering the pot size when sizing his bet. { Unlike out old friend Crazy who might well have bet $31 or both the flop and turn }

This wasn't good night to poke fun at anyone. Tempers were rising as the losers steamed hotter and hotter. I had one guy actually flung his hand so hard that he broke a card when middle set lost to a slow played top set. Its damn hard to do that . . . . { and no I didn't say a word. I expect the guy will toss me a $20 next game unprompted. Its just rough to be stuck $1,000+, get all in with what seems like an easy winner and find out you were tricked. }

This session ended up with three $1,500+ losers, three $1,500+ winners and Hero plating +$75 for the session. The winners did tip well, which they generally do - especially on nights where we made lasagna.

DrStrange

 

[brews]

With a 70% chance someone after Hero will raise, and a 0% chance Hero will get reraised if he is the first-in raiser, I also approve of the limp-raise move here.

I realize that this isn't how it played out, but I also like the limp-raise approach here. Crazies can't resist the opportunity to build a pot pre-flop and given the previous callers there's a high likelihood that others will call crazy's raise. This turns your limp-raise into a very strong 3-bet or even limp-shove into crazy. I think your only real concern would be what to do if SB 3-bets.

 

[BiGGyT]

I am glad to see I was not too far off what others suggested, I would assume CJ put DocS on an A and was happy to see everything but the river, but called just in case he did not put him on the ace correctly and did not want to be bluffed out of the pot. Grats on the suck out, has to be done to win sometimes, luck is still a part of the game.

Keep them situations coming!