Let me know if you're looking to sell it since it sounds like you're not using it.
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Let me know if you're looking to sell it since it sounds like you're not using it.
gambol
Sitting Out
Would you buy a car with a scratched out VIN? A gun with a ground off serial number? The reason people (most people) don't buy things with defaced serial numbers isn't because they are worried the item doesn't work, it is because they don't want to support the economy of meth heads stealing things and selling them at pawn shops because they realize in doing that eventually they or someone they care about is going to be a victim. Or for the more practical, they don't want the item taken back by the police when it turns out to be stolen.
If it wasn't stolen, you can absolutely send it back to Bally for servicing. Or you can sell it to a casino, it has full resale value.
Mazel tov.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
Receiving and concealing stolen property?
alpine0000
Pair
Haha. I knew a bunch of people would get flustered by my post and lecture. I know the reasons why people don’t usually buy things without a serial number. And no I wouldn’t buy important things like cars with no VIN (because I couldn’t get it insured) or a gun (for obvious reasons), but something as trivial as a shuffler doesn’t matter IMO. It’s not proof of receiving stolen property just because the shuffler doesn’t have a serial number. I would buy a TV or something without a serial number if the price was right, unless I knew for a fact it was stolen.
Also, I didn’t say you COULDNT send it back to Bally for service. But why would you when somebody like Rye Park can service it for a fraction of the cost, and it’s already out of warranty anyways, even if it had a serial number?
And no, almost no casino will buy a single shuffler, esp an older one, from a random guy off the street. At best, I can resell it on eBay.
We are all entitled to have our own opinions though, and that’s just mine.
There’s no proof my shuffler is stolen. It’s circumstantial that there’s no serial number at best. For me to be charged for anything criminal, first police would have to prove mine is stolen and somehow figure out the serial number of mine. Then they’d have to prove I had knowledge it was stolen when I bought it.
I’m not condoning buying stolen property. I’m just saying not having a serial number doesn’t automatically mean it’s stolen. And I don’t think there’s anything wrong with buying this shuffler.
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gambol
Sitting Out
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
Plausible denial helps some people sleep at night.
Ethics... lol
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
alpine0000
Pair
Was just thinking the same thing. I’ve worked in the casino industry and there are reasons why a serial number would be removed when it transfers hands, aside from it being stolen. Some of them have to do with contractual reasons. But whatever. Not even worth my breath. You guys are too cynical.
Also, LOL to the people who use the excuse of not buying things without a serial number because you’d be supporting meth heads. Yet, more than half of all adults have tried illegal drugs at some point. So, statistically, I know you guys are in here. I guess it’s fine to support the drug industry by smoking weed or trying coke, but you draw the line at (supposedly) supporting meth heads by buying shuffler. Excellent logic.
I’ve also bought used things like Snap On tools on Craigslist. They could’ve been stolen too. But they don’t come serial numbered from the manufacturer. Is that ethically ok with you guys to buy something used that could’ve been stolen but you have no way to know since it’s not serialized?
EDIT TO ADD: actually, I’m done contributing to the derailing of this thread. I’ll let you guys know how the shuffler works out after a while and post some home pics.
Cheers
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Mathieu
Two Pair
I paid 450 shipped. It’s yours for what I paid if you want it.
Was just thinking the same thing. I’ve worked in the casino industry and there are reasons why a serial number would be removed when it transfers hands, aside from it being stolen. Some of them have to do with contractual reasons. But whatever. Not even worth my breath. You guys are too cynical.
Also, LOL to the people who use the excuse of not buying things without a serial number because you’d be supporting meth heads. Yet, more than half of all adults have tried illegal drugs at some point. So, statistically, I know you guys are in here. I guess it’s fine to support the drug industry by smoking weed or trying coke, but you draw the line at (supposedly) supporting meth heads by buying shuffler. Excellent logic.
I’ve also bought used things like Snap On tools on Craigslist. They could’ve been stolen too. But they don’t come serial numbered from the manufacturer. Is that ethically ok with you guys to buy something used that could’ve been stolen but you have no way to know since it’s not serialized?
EDIT TO ADD: actually, I’m done contributing to the derailing of this thread. I’ll let you guys know how the shuffler works out after a while and post some home pics.
Cheers
Please do post some. I actually search eBay occasionally for the deckmates and I can't believe I missed this one. If you didn't buy it I would have.
gambol
Sitting Out
I’ll take second dibs if Chanman doesn’t want it
alpine0000
Pair
Pretty sure Rye Park Gaming has more of them. Check into it and contact Randy. His info is on their website. He sells tons of these things.
I'm on the fence, you can go ahead.
I saw this one but about 4-5 k is the range I would like to get one at. Occasionally you will see one show up for 2-3k. The seller selling the one you linked is rye park gaming. That one for 8k I think has been up there for awhile.
Thanks I might try that, I always look at the used stuff on their site but I have never bought anything from them.
alpine0000
Pair
That particular ad has been up for a while, but he has a bunch of them. I bought that one, and noticed the ad was still up after I received my shuffler.
You can contact him directly and likely get a discount for bank wire (since he won't have to pay eBay/paypal fees), or just buy one from the ad he has posted on eBay.
Either way works, as he buys and sells them by the dozens. Just know ahead of time that although he's legit and sells supplies to casinos, most of his used shufflers don't have serial numbers.
A 3 riffle shuffle which is similar to to the WSOP shuffle takes 35-40 seconds. The 7 riffle shuffle takes 70 -80 seconds
alpine0000
Pair
I'm not sure if the video is playing in real-time or sped up a bit in his editing software, but he puts the deck in around 12 seconds into the video, and its done stuffing at around 41 seconds, so thats approx 29 seconds. That is faster than the ShuffleMaster DeckMate 1. I'm not saying its better, but it is faster (assuming that video isn't sped up in editing software).
The DeckMate 1 was advertised to shuffle in 44 seconds, and the DeckMate 2 is advertised at around 22 seconds. I timed my DeckMate 1 and its right at 50 seconds exactly.
For a home game, all of those times are fine, IMO.
The first shuffle in the video was 4 riffle and it didn't appear sufficiently randomized.
I use this shuffle tech and the 3 riffle is like right around 41-45 seconds
we use 2 decks and it is definitely fine for the home game.
Standard dealer shuffle is wash-riffle-riffle-strip(4)-riffle-cut.
alpine0000
Pair
You are not wrong. And in a casino, they do 2 riffles, 1 strip, then 1 riffle -- In that order. Which, IMO, also isn't truly randomized in the sense that whatever card is on the top of the deck when shuffling starts has a much smaller chance of ending up, say, on the bottom of the deck (if you think about the shuffles and follow the top card through each shuffle, you'll see). The chance of the top card ending up on the bottom of the deck is definitely not 1 in 52, like a true random shuffle would be. It has a higher chance of ending up in the same area of the deck each time than it does otherwise. That shuffletech is the same way -- It is mechanically mimicking a hand shuffle.
One reason (there are a few reasons) the DeckMate's are so expensive is because they are a true random number generator. It doesn't do X number of shuffles, like a dealer would or like that shuffletech does. It has a random number generator and takes each card, 1 by 1, generates a random number between 1 and 52, and puts the card into that corresponding slot. It does this once and it's done. It's totally random, and each card has an equal chance of ending up at any position in the deck, unlike a conventional hand shuffle.
But again, all of those options are fine for a home game. Or even a casino poker game, IMO. Hand shuffling has been accepted by casinos and players for years.
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The shuffletech does the standard 2 riffle, 1 strip and one riffle which is sufficient once all of the cards have been washed. It is recommended that the second type of shuffle that the shuffle tech does should be used far a new deck after a wash. That shuffle is 2 riffle, one strip and 5 riffles.
I understand that. But I don't know what's going on inside that machine. Is it's riffle as good as a real one? Watch the video. After the first shuffle, there are lots of spades together and lots on diamonds together, in sequence.
alpine0000
Pair
The casinos I've worked at, the dealers aren't allowed to "wash" unless a players specifically asks for a wash. It "takes too much time" each hour to wash every time, according to poker room management.
alpine0000
Pair
For sure, doing 7 shuffles will randomize it more than only 4. But keep in mind, that was a fresh deck, all suited up. After a hand of poker, the cards will likely be already fairly random when you scoop up the muck pile and deck stub together (which wasn't used this hand, and is still random and shuffled from before).
4 shuffles from that shuffletech would probably be sufficient enough for my taste if the deck was already shuffled before. And then 7 shuffles for a suited deck at the beginning of the session. It's just a function of how much time you're willing to let the shuffler have allotted each time.
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