RyGuy
High Hand
No, just the photos from the classified sale. Privately, I asked what he meant by "brand new," just for clarification. He said they had not been played with before.
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Buyer Beware--Ruff'd up chips from Big_Dog_FL (2 Viewers)
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Older China Clays were prone to this. It wasn't until the PGI V8s where it seemed to get better.
Whatever tape KK used on the Tigers came off w/o damaging the boxes. Painters tape maybe?
Painters tape can do a pretty good job. The clear stuff that decimates boxes does a GREAT job tho.
LeLe
4 of a Kind
If these is how the seller claim to be packaged well, I cant imagine what will be considered the opposite by him
He is getting a negative review from me if I am the buyer.
It reminded me of how I received my rack of starburst from eBay. The BS seller also packed them carelessly in a ziplock bag as well
He is getting a negative review from me if I am the buyer.
It reminded me of how I received my rack of starburst from eBay. The BS seller also packed them carelessly in a ziplock bag as well
But it's a hefty bag!
QuackShack
Sitting Out
Yeah, I saw the classified post and those chips were not in that condition at all. 100% due to shipping and that's horrible, dude. Sorry you're going through this. At least he went all out with the Ziploc bag, he could have just thrown the loose chips into a box.
I think you all are crazy re: packaging.
FYI - The Chiproom used to ship loose chips in USPS bags in a box. No extra material, nothing.
Also, remember the pics of how he gets them? In a frigging oil drum!!!
I pack in chip boxes taped shut and fill with newspaper and I have shipped god knows how many chips without issue.
I remember when this bombproof packaging trend started and it's only gotten crazier.
That crumbling ain't caused by shipping - you're getting screwed. CC's loose in a bag is more than fine.
FYI - The Chiproom used to ship loose chips in USPS bags in a box. No extra material, nothing.
Also, remember the pics of how he gets them? In a frigging oil drum!!!
I pack in chip boxes taped shut and fill with newspaper and I have shipped god knows how many chips without issue.
I remember when this bombproof packaging trend started and it's only gotten crazier.
That crumbling ain't caused by shipping - you're getting screwed. CC's loose in a bag is more than fine.
RyGuy
High Hand
The chalkiness was amplified in that bag, that's for sure. Need to breathe!
QuackShack
Sitting Out
I'm pretty loose with my use of 100%, so I can admit there's a chance he's getting screwed for sure. I've just seen enough package handlers in action to think it could easily have been due to transit + subpar packaging.
Oooof this sucks. I was in a similar situation, no refund, but a callout goes a long way plus the negative feedback. Amazing what people will do to avoid accepting guilt.
RyGuy
High Hand
I'm inclined to give him the benefit of a doubt that he didn't screw me before he shipped them, but he's definitely screwing me now. I don't think the seller taking responsibility for what's happened is too big of an ask.
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Maybe they are, but surely there is middle ground to be found between loose in a zip bag and bomb proof. Regardless, that pictured packaging is bullshit.
RyGuy
High Hand
That's too bad, I'm sorry to hear. Do you use PayPal G&S only now? I don't want to be that guy, but I may have to use it from now on.
Even without the massive damage, I don't think those chips look like the same chips that are in @Big_Dog_FL 's classified ad. Even the stickers on some of the chips look worn. And like someone else mentioned, the ad was for 500 $1s, but the pictures show a set with 400 $1s. Seems like he was selling used chips, claiming they were new, and didn't want to post a picture of them. Did he send you any additional pictures prior to the embarassing Hefty bag shipment?
I don't ship expensive chips (because I don't buy them), but when I do ship any kind of chips, I put as much padding and bubble wrap as possible on the outside edges of the box. I've seen how carriers handle boxes. It ain't pretty.
I don't ship expensive chips (because I don't buy them), but when I do ship any kind of chips, I put as much padding and bubble wrap as possible on the outside edges of the box. I've seen how carriers handle boxes. It ain't pretty.
They're all crazy re: a lot of things!
But there's definitely some truth to what you say. How many of us have sold chips as mint that we received loose in a folded up envelope from the chiproom? And I don't recall any complaints back then.
I wouldn't want to discourage bullet-proof packaging because it's better than the other extreme. But yeah, as long as you make it so the chips can't move during transit, you're probably good.
Sending loose chips in a Ziploc bag is bullshit. You can get plenty of free padded envelopes at the post office and pack them properly. Lazy and irresponsible IMO. I’m sure that’s not how the seller received them when he bought them.
RyGuy
High Hand
There are definitely scuffs on the stickers, and what's up with this chip? It's like it saw a ghost.
Unfortunately, no, there are no other pictures. I'll count them tonight to see if there really are 500. I didn't even think about that until someone else mentioned it.
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RyGuy
High Hand
The Apache chip boxes would have been nice, for sure.
Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Rules of buying chips
- Ask for a custom photo. Ask for the chips to be arranged in a particular way. This helps to both prove that the chips exist in the seller's possession, and that the photo isn't 10 years old. A note is insufficient, as even basic photoshop skills can add a new note to an old photograph.
- PayPal Friends and Family should only be used for FRIENDS AND FAMILY. If the seller does not fit into one of those two particular categories, offer to pay $6 over the $180 to cover their fees. If they refuse, they are probably trying to scam you.
If the chips broke apart during shipping there should be lots of fragments in the ziplock. Are there?
Picked up a case of grapefruit on a trip to Florida years ago. Looks like my view out the airport window as they were loading the plane. WTF?
I bought a set of chips from here and they came tossed in a gallon ziploc bag inside a big box. no padding, nothing and shipped halfway across the country. I guess I got lucky none were damaged.
Sorry that you didn't have the same luck. Is there any insurance on the shipping that could be claimed?
Sorry that you didn't have the same luck. Is there any insurance on the shipping that could be claimed?
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Poker Zombie
Royal Flush
Stuff like that should be shame-posted. No need to be mean. Just a photo of how it was shipped, and a "Thanks for the chips @XYZ ". People here will bring on the mean, all on their own.
FYI, tape the boxes with painters tape. Secures the box but does not hurt the box at all when pulled off. I use painters tape to secure the boxes and the bubble wrap (so it can be used again by the recipient).
RyGuy
High Hand
This is good advice. Will do from now on.
RyGuy
High Hand
I didn't purchase any extra insurance, but I'll call my post office tomorrow to see what my options are.
RyGuy
High Hand
I have answers to questions that were previously asked (with pictures).
There are indeed 500 chips. 171 passed (left stack), 329 failed (right stack). I was generous with the "pass" category since the chips are supposed to be "brand new." Only about 15-20 would I consider "brand new." I would gladly pay full price for new chips from Apache than keep the 171 at the ~30% discount I received from this sale. Perhaps the category should be called "good enough compared to the failed stack."
Anyway, almost every chip has something wrong with it--either clay damage, discoloration (red marks all over the white clay and/or sticker), and/or scuffs on the sticker. The scuffs are noticeable because the sticker has a metallic sheen to it.
I've also attached a couple of pictures of the bag after emptying it. Not sure those are fragments--more like dust/small particles. As someone mentioned earlier, now I'm not so sure the 400 in the original sale picture weren't a different set altogether.
There are indeed 500 chips. 171 passed (left stack), 329 failed (right stack). I was generous with the "pass" category since the chips are supposed to be "brand new." Only about 15-20 would I consider "brand new." I would gladly pay full price for new chips from Apache than keep the 171 at the ~30% discount I received from this sale. Perhaps the category should be called "good enough compared to the failed stack."
Anyway, almost every chip has something wrong with it--either clay damage, discoloration (red marks all over the white clay and/or sticker), and/or scuffs on the sticker. The scuffs are noticeable because the sticker has a metallic sheen to it.
I've also attached a couple of pictures of the bag after emptying it. Not sure those are fragments--more like dust/small particles. As someone mentioned earlier, now I'm not so sure the 400 in the original sale picture weren't a different set altogether.
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Boy, dat is one shit deal.
I know it won't fix anything. But PM me. I'll send ya some samples and random shit. Maybe it'll make your day.
That sucks. And the fucker’s been on here since 2016 so he should’ve been able to pick up a thing or two about how chips are supposed to be sold/shipped.
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