Sprinsd
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What set you would raffle? IF you decide to do one, any thoughts?
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bentax1978
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I had/acquired just enough extras after some trading this month to carve out a 600 chip cash set and a 600 chip tournament set. My thought was to have one raffle and the winner could pick whichever set he/she preferred. I figure that way people could enter the raffle whether they were after a cash or tournament set.
Tentative 600-chip breakdowns
Cash: 100/200/200/80/20 of $0.25/1/5/25/100
Tourney: 160/160/80/120/80 of T25/100/500/1000/5000
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crussader
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Thank you for the thoughtful response. I understand there are barriers to getting past this coming from the "consumer" side of potential transactions. It does prove my point though, that a significant amount of transactions for these chips are occurring behind the scenes, despite a number of people claiming otherwise.
However, there is a problem on the other side as well. As I've said, there is no complaint from me regarding the required secrecy in making these buys. And to enable the multiple buys to continue over a period of time, part of that secrecy had to include restricting re-sales to within the GB. There had to be an agreement not to post these chips in the classifieds. It just wouldn't stay secret any other way. Once again, I have no problem with that. But now that the secret is out, and I ask is there a reason we can't drop that restriction now I immediately get ten people jumping on me that no such agreement existed/exists. Denial, denial, denial. That kind of response is the one thing about this whole ordeal that really irritates me. I think it adds to the sense of alienation within the community.
Lol at my reference being taken as negative. My first custom set was called “Buckys Poker Den”.
Now if people are projecting their own perceptions of whats being posted on the other site, that’s on them. People see what they want to see.
A den is a room in the house where family typically gathers for less formal interactions.
Edited. Upon further reflection I’ll admit the term donkey den was meant to be a funny play on words (I didn’t really give it much thought) and it was not meant as a negative, nor upon further reflection IS it negative.
And for those taking offense at a moderator using a funny quip to define or reference another site, I’m sure you’ve also corrected the Donkey Mods every time they refer to this site as the “Orange Wall”, a clearly dismissive reference to the Blue Wall, which is how we referred to CT once it had become defunct and no longer relevant (and it’s name was not worth mentioning). Because that would obv be unbecoming of a mod to use such a term about another site.
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bentax1978
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To be clear, such an agreement not to post/sell/disclose info publicly 100% did exist before the chips were "out".
Once they were out, there were no agreements or restrictions on what could be done with the chips. Period.
Poker Zombie
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Like Sprinsd pointed out, just post WTB ads. There are no "secret classifieds" anymore. However, there are members that simply do not want to sell to people that relentlessly attacked them. If you were one of those, your WTB ad may go unanswered for far longer. If you were cordial (I believe you were), then you have a chance. However, it is important to remember that these chips were offered only once. There was an intent to place an order for more, but it was shut down because of the lack of secrecy. So full sets are really hard to come by.
Meanwhile, there may occasionally be trades between members. A barrel for a barrel or a rack for a rack. It happens sometimes, as people realise they needed something different from what they purchased. This type of transaction goes on all the time between members that know who has what they want, and who needs what they have. It is not limited to Star chips.
I wish I could part with what I have. The prices today are really high, and in time I suspect they will settle down to the same levels as other minty THC Paulsons. Unfortunately, I did not buy chips for a profit, I bought them out of a love for chips. If that love were to ever fade, I would sell - and not to just a subset of potential buyers.
But there are a few that I would not sell to directly.
Meanwhile, there may occasionally be trades between members. A barrel for a barrel or a rack for a rack. It happens sometimes, as people realise they needed something different from what they purchased. This type of transaction goes on all the time between members that know who has what they want, and who needs what they have. It is not limited to Star chips.
I wish I could part with what I have. The prices today are really high, and in time I suspect they will settle down to the same levels as other minty THC Paulsons. Unfortunately, I did not buy chips for a profit, I bought them out of a love for chips. If that love were to ever fade, I would sell - and not to just a subset of potential buyers.
But there are a few that I would not sell to directly.
Psypher1000
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I'm not sure that they did. As Dan said, there was once a restriction on selling chips publicly. Now there isn't, because they're public. What I understood them to be denying isn't ^^^^, but rather, vvvv (the two notions are not synonymous).
For those that choose to sell publicly, the full membership *can* participate. Most folks are simply choosing not to sell them (because, for the vast majority of the participants, they were not purchased with intent to flip for profit); or, if folks are selling, many are choosing to do it privately by responding to WTB adds.
Sprinsd
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I recommend putting a price you are willing to pay in your WTB. I noticed more responses after I did this...
The agreement to not publicly discuss the star chip actually expired on 1- Jan-2018, long before the chips were 'outed' on PCF in late January.
Since then, some star project paricipants have chosen to sell/trade star chips publicly, others have chosen to sell privately or respond only to WTB ads, and others have not sold or traded star chips at all.....just like any other chips are treated by chippers. There is no denial.
bentax1978
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The original agreement was to not publicly discuss/post/sell them until such a time that it was deemed prudent by management. Sometime after the last buy in 2017 is when the 1/1/18 date was put forward. Information about the chips had been leaked (to some extend) long before that date, but there wasn't much publicly posted about them (as I recall). Aside from a few posted pictures in meetup threads that went up around the first of the year, I don't recall a lot of public posting until the eBay ad for the AS $5 chip was posted. It was after that 1000+ post thread was created that public posting/discussion started in earnest.
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crussader
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It would have been nice if this was the response to the original post. Thank you.
bentax1978
4 of a Kind
All of the original responses to your post made it clear that there are no restrictions on selling these chips on the secondary market, which is what I thought your OP was focused on.
If you sensed any frustration in their replies, it's probably because your OP made a lot of assumptions and sounded quite negative in that regard.
This isn’t brand new information... it’s all been stated numerous times over the past months.
justsomedude
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You can beat people over the head with facts. But as has already been stated...
The truth/reality just doesn't matter to these folks. Living in a dream world of drama/turmoil/conspiracy/etc. is what gets them out of bed every day.
RichMahogany
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Nah that's what KEEPS me in bed, you know, so I can sit around all day and read about it on teh interwebz
derekdd23
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If i have learned one thing over my years of chipping is that the classifieds represent less than half of actual sales and trades. I learned early on that a WTB ad with prices sometimes works, PMs are usually more effective, but only if the person is willing. Constant badgering usually does the opposite and will just piss people off. Most importantly having patience to wait weeks, months, years to get chips is often needed. I cant tell you the number of times I have gone a bit nuts for chips and
This is gross treatment and I totally disagree with it. Be civil or GTFO is a good mantra.
I can't say I'm surprised though. I think a lot of the hurt folks felt was due to exactly this type of situation. Someone relatively unknown by the community who doesn't really participate (I'm judging based on post count alone) was included in the GB; while others who might be newer to the game but are much more involved on PCF were left in the dark. I don't personally feel this way, but I can understand those who do.
However, to be clear, I don't believe anyone deserves the kind of treatment this member did. I can also totally understand participants not wanting to sell publically. I feel I would likely react in the same way.
Thanks for sharing.
SixSpeedFury
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Out of curiousity, besides exact number and price of each individual chip I’m not entirely sure what other questions anyone would have that have not already been answered?
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RainmanTrail
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The reason most people were critical of your friend's chip sale had nothing to do with pricing, and no one was honestly speculating about his marriage. One person made a joke because it was apparently their way of trying to make light of the fact that GB members told, and continue to tell, the rest of the community that they really, really, really wanted to include them in the gb but they just couldn't because space was limited for obvious reasons. There were only so many people who could be allowed in because the order had to look like it was coming from a real entity, otherwise it could fail if too many chips were ordered. That all makes sense. But you shouldn't be surprised when those who didn't make the cut learn that your random friend was allowed into the GB. This isn't a knock against your friend, I'm sure he's a good guy. But he's clearly not an active member of the community. No one even knew who he was. He doesn't participate in the forums at all. To those who didn't make the gb cut, he is justifiably "Trihonda's random unknown neighbor" who was escorted into the club through the VIP lane while the bouncer tells the other members with thousands of posts, who host meetups, organize open group buys for everyone, donate their money at the drop of a hat when other members are in a personal bind, help others with their chip designs, offer free inlay graphic design artwork to others in some cases, and some of whom's custom chips were even copied in the gb, ... "sorry, the club is full."
If you can't see why those long time, good standing members who gave of themselves to the community over and over, asking nothing in return for years, all waiting outside to get into the club feel wronged when your random neighbor gets in because he has the Trihonda VIP pass then you're incapable of empathy. When he later chose to resell those chips, many viewed it as a slap in the face.
RainmanTrail
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On a side note, @Trihonda, I've asked everyone at Chip Donkeys to treat PCF, Tommy, the mods, and its members here with respect. Can I ask you to do the same please? The subtle jabs do nothing but further damage the community. Calling PCF the orange wall is not disrespectful in any way. That's a ridiculous charge, especially coming from someone who's supposed to be a moderator and who comes up with their own derogatory term for us. Calling it the "orange wall" is a continued trend by the community where most here refer to Chip Talk as the blue wall, and it's also why people joked that everyone would probably refer to CD as the gray wall. How is that derogatory in any way?
Sprinsd
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I agree. Didn’t see anything terrible within that post.
BS. Everybody has a right to state their opinion, even if it's one with which I (or you) do not agree. Are you actively TRYING to lose members?
Let discussions run their course, so long as they are civil. This is a DISCUSSION board.
Let discussions run their course, so long as they are civil. This is a DISCUSSION board.
There you go. I know what the facts are, and so do you.
Were the RT posts above yours deleted/resurrected?
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