OP
OP
No, and I tried really hard to see if he had contacts in because that was my first thought.
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Cheater Or just home table advantage? (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter UncleMilty
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OP
OP
We play almost only STT games. If it’s signaling it would probably be happening at my house too.
That’s INSTANTLY where my brain went as well!! lol
merkong
Full House
Play better.
Munchies11
Pair
I agree with the fellas “innocent until proven guilty.” You can’t accuse anyone without hard proof. I agree to just keep an eye on him and see if your gut instincts and ints are right and you find him cheating somehow someway…Or maybe he’s just a great fucking player lol
OP
OP
Super nice dude so i hope it turns out that he is just a great fucking player (at home). Or maybe we all just suck at his house
MeridianFC
Flush
How many players at each game?
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
If he's cheating to the point that he's winning 95% at home, I can't imagine he'd give up the same techniques on the road.
Keep an eye on him for sure, though. Take notes.
Keep an eye on him for sure, though. Take notes.
I have seen idiots “pad their stack”. They liked having a structure with rebuys and addons and did not have a white board to keep up with how many rebuys and add on’s. So, nobody really knew how many chips were in play, and they always just added on a lot of big chips on during the add in period. So, I started a white board with rebuys and also I would kind of announce what my stack was and ask others before add on, it’s kind of an ass hole thing to do. But being the poker police is not an easy job… but I like protecting the game.
@UncleMilty Any updates to this?
It seems like from your later comments that the 95% win rate was an exaggeration, or at the very least, was an undocumented estimate. You updated to 20/25 which is 80%. Still crazy high. I would suggest as others did that you keep more detailed records and gather more info. Give us another update six months down the road when you have another 20 or so games actually documented.
It seems like from your later comments that the 95% win rate was an exaggeration, or at the very least, was an undocumented estimate. You updated to 20/25 which is 80%. Still crazy high. I would suggest as others did that you keep more detailed records and gather more info. Give us another update six months down the road when you have another 20 or so games actually documented.
What is the concern with glasses? special lenses to see 'marked' cards?
merkong
Full House
It might just be me but what’s the diff? I have guys freshen up all the time throughout the night. Nobody’s really interested in how much is on the table. At the end of the night when everyone has cashed out and 75% of the crew has left I can see if we set a record or not by all the cashed out chips in the center of the table.
Again, maybe just me but nobody at GFC cares.
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merkong
Full House
Yes. There's a number of marked card decks that are invisible unless you have on certain glasses. Then its clear as day. I don't like linking to places where they can be purchased (easily Google'd) but they have Bicycle, KEM, COPAG, all marked cards that are sealed and look exactly like the real things.
Might not be a bad idea to get a pair of these glasses to verify a 'legit' deck.
You're right. Worked at an underground game and floor would always have UV glasses, sporadically walk by the table and call it "secret service sweeps" and made sure the players saw them doing it. The old idea that obvious cameras deters crime while hidden cameras catch crime, we were more about deterring.
This was a good idea but floor slowly quit doing it because they were idiots.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
The floor was checking to make sure the house didn't put a marked deck in to play?
Making sure no cards were changed out during play. In 2018 we had 2 separate times where marked cards were found in decks after a night of play. We assume a player received an Ace or King, somehow palmed it out and replaced it with their own. We used Bicycle Prestiges and didnt regularly change decks out during a night of play if not requested.The floor was checking to make sure the house didn't put a marked deck in to play?
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
DeadheadDave
Pair
Things I do to protect my home games:
Account for every chip in tournament play.
Watch people’s shuffles, closely.
Watch people’s deals, closely. Especially new people or those that all of a sudden have a horseshoe up their ass. Scratch that: watch everyone close. Especially their guests and spouses. Cheating is generally a team sport in cards, but not always.
Pay close attention to people’s win rates while dealing, CALL OUT inconsistencies. Example: We had a new guy here on Friday. His first deal, wins big with pocket 8’s that setup on the flop. His next deal, pockets 8’s that set up on flop…. I’m not a math guy, but the odds of that…. Really? So I brought it to his attention, at the table, in a slightly joking manner.. all heard it. All started watching. He did win that tourney, but under extreme scrutiny. Turns out, the guys pretty good.
Change decks after each tournament, each break… whatever. If you think cards are tainted, switch decks. Hard to do at road games, but you can make the request. I host games, if someone requests a new set up, I will honor the request.
@Dcarl & @Knoxymoron have played at my house. It’s a fun group. Mostly honest folks. I WATCH THEM LIKE HAWKS, in the only way a stoned deadhead can: Act like you are not paying atention. lol. Both of those players have seen me give stack counts from across the table to accuracy. “I’m all in”. “ how much is that?” I’m the guy that can tell you from across the table. “It’s 18500”. They will count, and I’m generally not off by more than a chip or two.
Pretty sure there is a universal acknowledgment that it f you cheat at poker you are going to get your ass beat, at minimum. Hard to kick a guys ass at his own house though, you know why? Because he can shoot and kill you in his home, but not yours…. Castle Doctrine. He will leave his house eventually.
I knew a guy, 20 years ago, that was “good with cards”. Ex magician, we will call him. He did not game with us. I asked him some tips to catch cheats. He gave me a few, and then told me: You will never catch a good card cheat. He then proceeded to shuffle a deck and dealt himself pocket aces 22x in a row…. I made him stop. It was pissing me off. I never once saw how he did it, never once. They were my cards, not his. Which gets us to:
Cheating is an art form. Most have no desire for it. Some will try and get caught. But the good ones, they are just that. Really good at it. Not only do they set themselves up with the winning hand, they gotta also make sure they have a mark or two playing that has strong hands too. It’s not easy. Dealing yourself a pat hand is one thing, but to earn off it you gotta give a few folks the near nuts to earn.
The only real way to prevent card cheating is with a full time dealer…. Something I generally revert to after bust out. And, that person should have unquestionable ethics.
Account for every chip in tournament play.
Watch people’s shuffles, closely.
Watch people’s deals, closely. Especially new people or those that all of a sudden have a horseshoe up their ass. Scratch that: watch everyone close. Especially their guests and spouses. Cheating is generally a team sport in cards, but not always.
Pay close attention to people’s win rates while dealing, CALL OUT inconsistencies. Example: We had a new guy here on Friday. His first deal, wins big with pocket 8’s that setup on the flop. His next deal, pockets 8’s that set up on flop…. I’m not a math guy, but the odds of that…. Really? So I brought it to his attention, at the table, in a slightly joking manner.. all heard it. All started watching. He did win that tourney, but under extreme scrutiny. Turns out, the guys pretty good.
Change decks after each tournament, each break… whatever. If you think cards are tainted, switch decks. Hard to do at road games, but you can make the request. I host games, if someone requests a new set up, I will honor the request.
@Dcarl & @Knoxymoron have played at my house. It’s a fun group. Mostly honest folks. I WATCH THEM LIKE HAWKS, in the only way a stoned deadhead can: Act like you are not paying atention. lol. Both of those players have seen me give stack counts from across the table to accuracy. “I’m all in”. “ how much is that?” I’m the guy that can tell you from across the table. “It’s 18500”. They will count, and I’m generally not off by more than a chip or two.
Pretty sure there is a universal acknowledgment that it f you cheat at poker you are going to get your ass beat, at minimum. Hard to kick a guys ass at his own house though, you know why? Because he can shoot and kill you in his home, but not yours…. Castle Doctrine. He will leave his house eventually.
I knew a guy, 20 years ago, that was “good with cards”. Ex magician, we will call him. He did not game with us. I asked him some tips to catch cheats. He gave me a few, and then told me: You will never catch a good card cheat. He then proceeded to shuffle a deck and dealt himself pocket aces 22x in a row…. I made him stop. It was pissing me off. I never once saw how he did it, never once. They were my cards, not his. Which gets us to:
Cheating is an art form. Most have no desire for it. Some will try and get caught. But the good ones, they are just that. Really good at it. Not only do they set themselves up with the winning hand, they gotta also make sure they have a mark or two playing that has strong hands too. It’s not easy. Dealing yourself a pat hand is one thing, but to earn off it you gotta give a few folks the near nuts to earn.
The only real way to prevent card cheating is with a full time dealer…. Something I generally revert to after bust out. And, that person should have unquestionable ethics.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
Seems like a cheater knowing that you are paying attention is a better deterrent, no?
DeadheadDave
Pair
Everyone’s mileage may, and generally does, vary. Actively watching then speaking up works for me.
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