Chip Identification - Matsui vs Abbiati (1 Viewer)

[Gus]

I'm collecting barrels from as many manufacturers and I'm stumped on verification with these Canterbury Park $1 chips. Chances are they're Matsui, but I hope they're Abbiati since I don't have a barrel of them yet (my motivated reasoning...).

The River Rocks are Matsui. I've confirmed this by looking at ChipGuide and seeing other Matsui chips in their lineup (designs only Matsui makes). Manufacturers aren't listed on ChipGuide for these.

Canterbury Park recently updated their $1 and $10 chips, but both of these appear to be designs made by both Abbiati and Matsui based on what I can find in their respective catalogs. However I can't find any Matsui-exclusive chips in Canterbury's lineup as they have only two new chips, the rest being old and Bud Jones (I think).

Canterbury's dark blue is actually translucent, as shown in one of the images. A bright flashlight from behind will light up the 1's, edge spots, and ring. Can't find any info from Abbiati or Matsui regarding offering translucent plastic.

Anybody have a definitive answer? Supporting evidence is helpful, but alas this is the internet...

River Rock ChipGuide
https://chipguide.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=BCRIRR&sort=type

Canterbury Park ChipGuide
https://chipguide.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=MNSHCC&sort=type

Matsui Catalog: See page 12 for ring denominations
https://matsuieurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Full-Catalogue-2020.pdf

Abbiati Catalog: See page 18 for ring denominations. Also the "1" in Abbiati looks to have a slightly rounded top in the catalog, vs the pointed-top 1's seen on the chips.
https://www.abbiati.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/1-ABB.-AMERICAN-CHIPS-V.001-23.pdf

 

[BGinGA]

B&G?

 

[Gus]

B&G?

Could be? I don't know B&G at all yet. What I do know is I can find nearly this identical chip in both the Abbiati and Matsui catalogs.

Looking closely, the inlays look almost identical, including the shimmer/texture visible on the white sections of the inlay, which would suggest they've gone thru the same process... and so either B&G/Matsui/Abbiati all use the same equipment, or these chips simply came off the same manufacturing line.

 

[allforcharity]

B&G usually has it's own marking on the label, though. (Same as Bud Jones)

 

[Thomacetti]

@mipevi

 

[mipevi]

I'm collecting barrels from as many manufacturers and I'm stumped on verification with these Canterbury Park $1 chips. Chances are they're Matsui, but I hope they're Abbiati since I don't have a barrel of them yet (my motivated reasoning...).

The River Rocks are Matsui. I've confirmed this by looking at ChipGuide and seeing other Matsui chips in their lineup (designs only Matsui makes). Manufacturers aren't listed on ChipGuide for these.

Both of those chips are Abbiati, specifically the two molds below. Also, I see zero Matsui chips on the Chip Guide's River Rock page (the ones you prolly think are Matsui, are actually Dolphins).

Canterbury Park recently updated their $1 and $10 chips, but both of these appear to be designs made by both Abbiati and Matsui based on what I can find in their respective catalogs. However I can't find any Matsui-exclusive chips in Canterbury's lineup as they have only two new chips, the rest being old and Bud Jones (I think).

The designs in the Matsui catalog are slightly different, the edges of their spots tend to come towards the center at a sharper angle, if that makes sense. The CC.320-E's spots are a better match by shape, but they are too long. Canterbury's lineup seems indeed to mostly be Bud Jones.

 

[Gus]

Both of those chips are Abbiati, specifically the two molds below. Also, I see zero Matsui chips on the Chip Guide's River Rock page (the ones you prolly think are Matsui, are actually Dolphins).

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The designs in the Matsui catalog are slightly different, the edges of their spots tend to come towards the center at a sharper angle, if that makes sense. The CC.320-E's spots are a better match by shape, but they are too long. Canterbury's lineup seems indeed to mostly be Bud Jones.

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Good Catch, thanks for the input!

Looking closer at the "1" font it seems to match Abbiati's catalog closer to Matsui's. The Matsui "1" has a sort of rounded top, whereas the Abbiati "1" has a little point, similar to how 1's are shown here on the forum

Abbiati:

Matsui:

Canterbury's older chips are all Bud Jones as determined in a different thread a while back, tho the dispute was J2 (?) vs a different model... perhaps different plastics?

 

[mipevi]

That's right, and the look of the chip material (and feel, if I had some) as well as the less than perfectly cut decals with an occasional bit of metal seen just past their edge also point to Abbiati over Matsui.

The old Canterbury cash chips are S2, tourney chips are V6.

 

[allforcharity]

Canterbury's older chips are all Bud Jones as determined in a different thread a while back, tho the dispute was J2 (?) vs a different model... perhaps different plastics?

S2, I think.